[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

So are you implying they are going to play dirty and take cheap shots? Lol

Lick me Chicago home boy........
We're still better then your Bears sissy team!!
You know I'm just kidding .....right, well kinda!


GTO George

[johnta1]

John, I don't know of any heads up racers that run a delay box, and by looking at their R/T's they certainly don't need one. I'm guessing I will soon hear different.

Really?



Sounds like a good way to kick some of their @sses then?

I can say that every one in Super Comp runs a delay box.
If you can't consistently cut a .00x light, you're not winning.

So, if you can't run as fast as the other guy, why give him another few hundreths advantage?
(or even if you are faster, why give him an advantage?)

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

I'm thinking this race is going to be like the Detroit Lions football season........lots of hype to start off with then when the seasons starts a BIG DUD!!


GTO George

Just like your racing career.

[cosgrove]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Really?

One of us is missing something. If I am always late on a pro tree, how is a delay box going to help?

[Motor Daddy]

Originally Posted by twinturrbo406

... hummm, interesting ...

So CV1...well, you know it's fast because it's got a c in there.

...and a v for velocity!!!

[johnta1]

One of us is missing something. If I am always late on a pro tree, how is a delay box going to help?

I guess you'll be the 'pigeon' everyone looks for?

Ask some of those 'bracket racers'.

[cosgrove]

Originally Posted by johnta1

I guess you'll be the 'pigeon' everyone looks for?

Ask some of those 'bracket racers'.

I have to ask, do you know how a pro tree works? Does a delay box make you go back in time so you can release the button before the tree activates?

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

No problem..........I'll guarantee you I'll make it down the track under FULL POWER! Now you're assuming their BOTH going to show......BIG assumption (it's possible)!
Listen I'm just thinking with BOTH of them really not making any passes or none at all this year could be a BIG test & tune thing for them and there's nothing wrong with that......hell we all do that sometimes.


GTO George

Your full power passes aren't that fast!

No testing? I have about 20 passes on mine already, put three on it Wednesday night.

I will be there and I will be ready.

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by johnta1

I guess you'll be the 'pigeon' everyone looks for?

Ask some of those 'bracket racers'.

NOBODY that I know uses a delay box in heads up racing, go back to Internet racing!

[chiefbigb]

Some cash always brings new dynamics to the game as well. Both partys have invested allot here. Good chance to win some of it back.

[johnta1]

NOBODY that I know uses a delay box in heads up racing, go back to Internet racing!

Sounds like you do too much 'internet' racing?

Need to get out more and run with the big boys.

I know how to cut a light and so do thousands of other racers.
If you're so locked into your way of thinking, that's your problem.

[johnta1]

I have to ask, do you know how a pro tree works?

Yep, sure do.

Do you know how to fix that?

Does a delay box make you go back in time so you can release the button before the tree activates?

Sorry for you guys.

[Elarson]

Ok, all of this back & forth on pro trees and delay boxes has me confused. I race pro tree all the time. I honestly don't see how a delay box would be used in that format. Where in the sequence of:

pre-stage
stage
all 3 yellow's simultaneously
.400 later it's green

....do you trigger the button?

When I see 3 yellows, I'm leaving....no time to invoke a delay.

You can't trigger off the stage light.....the 3 yellows aren't a consistent time after that.

I don't want an argument, I want an education.

Eric

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Sounds like you do too much 'internet' racing?

Need to get out more and run with the big boys.

I know how to cut a light and so do thousands of other racers.
If you're so locked into your way of thinking, that's your problem.

That's funny, I had four of the baddest heads up racers in there class helping me Wednesday at the track while you were being a keyboard commando.

[johnta1]

And what were your lights?

[JSPONT]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

No problem..........I'll guarantee you I'll make it down the track under FULL POWER! Now you're assuming their BOTH going to show......BIG assumption (it's possible)!
Listen I'm just thinking with BOTH of them really not making any passes or none at all this year could be a BIG test & tune thing for them and there's nothing wrong with that......hell we all do that sometimes.


GTO George

I think Mike Leech will be looking for you!

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Lick me Chicago home boy........
We're still better then your Bears sissy team!!
You know I'm just kidding .....right, well kinda!


GTO George

Oh young George, I couldn't agree more. My two favorite teams are the Packers and whichever team is playing the Bears.

[cosgrove]

Originally Posted by Elarson

Ok, all of this back & forth on pro trees and delay boxes has me confused. I race pro tree all the time. I honestly don't see how a delay box would be used in that format. Where in the sequence of:

pre-stage
stage
all 3 yellow's simultaneously
.400 later it's green

....do you trigger the button?

When I see 3 yellows, I'm leaving....no time to invoke a delay.

You can't trigger off the stage light.....the 3 yellows aren't a consistent time after that.

I don't want an argument, I want an education.

Eric

You have nothing confused Eric. The only way a delay box will help you on a .400 pro tree is if you and your car are quick enough in the beams to red light- like S/st.
If you need to be quicker, a delay box will not help you.
Oh, unless you have one of those time traveling delay boxes like John has. That was sarcasm John. You seem to be lost in all of this.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Just like your racing career.

Oh the east coast boy has spoken. If you can win just half the races I have won in the rest of your career then you would be doing good! LOL!
Now go get your car ready for Norwalk!

GTO George

[ventura7211]

Originally Posted by Elarson

Ok, all of this back & forth on pro trees and delay boxes has me confused. I race pro tree all the time. I honestly don't see how a delay box would be used in that format. Where in the sequence of:

pre-stage
stage
all 3 yellow's simultaneously
.400 later it's green

....do you trigger the button?

When I see 3 yellows, I'm leaving....no time to invoke a delay.

You can't trigger off the stage light.....the 3 yellows aren't a consistent time after that.

I don't want an argument, I want an education.

Eric

Its because apples are being compared to oranges.

A light weight over tired under powered car is being compared to a heavier over powered under tired car.

You can cut good lights, but the car has to be set up to reflect the driver's reaction, its easier to do so when the car is going to stick no matter what do to an over tired under powered situation than a under tired over power situation where power management strategies comes into play.

If you are curious about your reaction versus the cars reaction, you could always log the tb button event and compare it to the start of the driveshaft sensor event, log the charge pressure as well and you can determine if its the tune up, driver, or trans/converter causing subpar reaction times.

Similar reason why fuel car drivers consider .060-080 ish lights to be "good", the are reacting far earlier than the car due to the power management settings for the first few hundred feet.