[GOAT WHORE]

Originally Posted by SergeF

Harry, good numbers! That chevy is moving. I found a good use for heavy intake and QJET. Best wheel chock set up yet and no spacer on this one. You know, a perfect match!

Serg, that's some funny chit right there!
Willing to bet if you did not show the "chock" in a picture most would not have got it.

[Bill Eveland]

The whole point of your thread was to show the power increase in an "apples to apples" test by your standards by switching intake manifolds. Now how can it not be by using a differant carb for testing and flipping around the scenario with the spacers and still swapping out intakes? Maybe that can be round #3 .

Originally Posted by harry k

cfm is cfm, whatever cfm you elect to use @ WOT not matter what carb it is or has been used, the power outcome@peak rpm will be the same.

[gtofreek]

Originally Posted by SergeF

Harry, good numbers! That chevy is moving. I found a good use for heavy intake and QJET. Best wheel chock set up yet and no spacer on this one. You know, a perfect match!

What are you doing using that dual snorkle air cleaner as a wheel chalk?

[harry k]

Originally Posted by Bill Eveland

The whole point of your thread was to show the power increase in an "apples to apples" test by your standards by switching intake manifolds. Now how can it not be by using a differant carb for testing and flipping around the scenario with the spacers and still swapping out intakes? Maybe that can be round #3 .

Bill
I can easily get the customer back in and remove the E carb and throw a Q-jet on and test it or remove the high rise intake install cast iron pos intake back on and install Q-jet if you are curious what would the results will be for round #3 if that what you're implying, BUT the main thing would be here is the critiques will still cry at this point further again cause the Q-jet isnt built to a one book standards......OR and create further critisim in any nature.

Rest assured that i will post something else further down the road as has been very appreciated by most forum members for my time & testing and we"ll see if history does't repeats itself.

[NeighborsComplaint]

Originally Posted by harry k

Bill
I can easily get the customer back in and remove the E carb and throw a Q-jet on and test it or remove the high rise intake install cast iron pos intake back on and install Q-jet if you are curious what would the results will be for round #3 if that what you're implying, BUT the main thing would be here is the critiques will still cry at this point further again cause the Q-jet isnt built to a one book standards......OR and create further critisim in any nature.

Rest assured that i will post something else further down the road as has been very appreciated by most forum members for my time & testing and we"ll see if history does't repeats itself.

It won't. This would be a real controlled experiment or an "apples to apples" comparison, if you prefer. If you are comparing the relative performace of 2 intakes, the only thing you change are the intakes. The only deviation you might dial in is if you optimized the tune for each setup (jetting for optimal A/F mixture and timing for best HP/TQ).

Sure you may get some comments like "Wow, that motor is pretty low/high on HP or TQ" relative to my on motor, experince, etc., but no one can dispute the gain or loss relative to the baseline if you changed nothing else.

[harry k]

As i said earlier: we will have critiques and on top of it some to tell me what to do(its like my 1st time in rodeo
further In order to satisfy some, we need few UNBIASED witnesses to be around.

[sts]

Your dyno graphs are gone. How can unbiased people engage in an intelligent conversation when they cannot see the comparisons?

Is there any that you can repost them?

[goatless]

Harry- straight up, unbiased question for you.
Do you believe that running the Edelbrock carb into the factory iron intake is an efficient set up?

[Bill Eveland]

Well without any baseline test with matched componets , to me this is about the hp lost not gained

Originally Posted by harry k

Bill
I can easily get the customer back in and remove the E carb and throw a Q-jet on and test it or remove the high rise intake install cast iron pos intake back on and install Q-jet if you are curious what would the results will be for round #3 if that what you're implying, BUT the main thing would be here is the critiques will still cry at this point further again cause the Q-jet isnt built to a one book standards......OR and create further critisim in any nature.

Rest assured that i will post something else further down the road as has been very appreciated by most forum members for my time & testing and we"ll see if history does't repeats itself.

[harry k]

What other baseline are you refering to?

[Bill Eveland]

Keyword is matched. Do you think any of the hp gain was the result of no adapters?

[harry k]

Originally Posted by sts

Your dyno graphs are gone. How can unbiased people engage in an intelligent conversation when they cannot see the comparisons?

Is there any that you can repost them?

sts you are little bit late for the matinee show now,
yes indeed they are gone now, refer to my post #1 in the bttm and thats what happened.

[harry k]

Originally Posted by Bill Eveland

Keyword is matched. Do you think any of the hp gain was the result of no adapters?

Better flowing intake.

[goatless]

Originally Posted by goatless

Harry- straight up, unbiased question for you.
Do you believe that running the Edelbrock carb into the factory iron intake is an efficient set up?

Did you miss my question? It is a simple yes or no question.

[Skip Fix]

Back again to real world track testing- if square bore carbs with an adpater are so bad on a factory intake why did my car pick up et and mph over a pretty dialed in Qjet carb?

[p4msi1]

HarryK, thank you for taking the time to show your unbias dyno results with the parts on hand and even taking the time to explain the limited testing you did to pompous adults that can never understand it. You are a hero in my book, keep it up.

Steve

[72LuxuryLeMansLa.]

Originally Posted by p4msi1

HarryK, thank you for taking the time to show your unbias dyno results with the parts on hand and even taking the time to explain the limited testing you did to pompous adults that can never understand it. You are a hero in my book, keep it up.

Steve

That's laying it on a bit thick no? These are Heroes : http://www.cmohs.org/

[Half-Inch Stud]

Originally Posted by harry k

As i said earlier:...In order to satisfy some, we need few UNBIASED witnesses to be around.

I'll be your huckleberry. HIS

[Half-Inch Stud]

Glad to hear your customer may welcome a revisit: a Q-JET on the (repainted Iron). that data run will get a few thousand views. Hmmmmm, is interesting.


We all know good things take time.

[Half-Inch Stud]

Originally Posted by Skip Fix

Back again to real world track testing- if square bore carbs with an adpater are so bad on a factory intake why did my car pick up et and mph over a pretty dialed in Qjet carb?

I KIDD not: this last Norwalk, we put a "junkyard dog" Q-jet (dry-sat for 10 months, threw in my trunk for giggles at norwalk) onto a 17.4 ET "69 firebird" with an "aftermarket carb" and ( no other changes) dropped 3 seconds on the ET. Some talk/coach on the excitement took another 0.5 sec off the ET. Therefore 17.4 to high 13s from a carb change. Relevant to the issues in this Thread. The fella took my Q-JET home like a newborn! giggles indeed.

JUNKYARD DOG: a 1973 chevy truck Q-JET where the Top-plate NEVER came off. Accel pump rod on inner hole, installed BE Sec-rods. power-trimmed the Air-damp valve per the loaded 20 MPH pulls in 3rd gear. That proofed as-is for 12.2 ETs on my 68 GTO (the 1050 has since been on with equal ET, +0.5 MPH).

AFTERMARKET carb: some dumb Squarebore <\= 750 cfm, or at best an AFB.

69 FIREBIRD: some clapped-out 69 bird (68?) that they bought curbside on the way to Norwalk, put on the "just in case" trailer, and after a few beers and gutting the interior (in the pits) decided to run it. Fairly rust-free floors i might add.

NEWBORN; well the fella enjoyed the Q-JET a few months, and mailed it back to me.
3.5 seconds dropped in ETs: Time slips by a capable driver with all systems go. No spins, oops or butts.


I've since trew the "j-dog" on a 500" Caddy engine that all of a sudden idles well, and throttles real well ( that (hehehe) had a (heheHAH) a Predator carb).

just a dumb carb that works properly. HIS