[SpartanMSU]

The fact that your car came with OO does not dismiss the fact that OO was a Judge-only color.

[PonchoV8]

Not sure what that means, but his car is originally Orbit Orange from the Pontiac plant. Are you inferring that it's a customer order of a Judge color?

[SpartanMSU]

Maybe you're inferring something. What I am saying - maybe implying too! - is that the color is not RPO for the GTO. A customer needed to special-order the color on a GTO, like any non-standard color. The color normally was Judge-only.

The same was for Carousel Red for GTOs. There is a handful of GTOs painted this color.

[PonchoV8]

I gotcha now.

[thg99002]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SpartanMSU:
Maybe you're inferring something. What I am saying - maybe implying too! - is that the color is not RPO for the GTO. A customer needed to special-order the color on a GTO, like any non-standard color. The color normally was Judge-only.

The same was for Carousel Red for GTOs. There is a handful of GTOs painted this color. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now I understand what you mean. After looking at some papers I have I can also agree with you. In this paper there is no choice for OO for the regular GTO. So I guess is special ordered. Could "SOLID SPECL" means that?

[SpartanMSU]

I presume it means monotone special-ordered, but I can't say for sure.

[gtoric]

I'm not entirely convinced that Carousel Red or Orbit Orange was considered The-Judge-only, or even special-order on the GTO. If you look on the Fisher Body tag for a GTO (w/o The Judge) that was ordered with these colors, would that tag read spec, ***, ---, 2, 4, 0-0, or would it have the 72 or 06 codes imprinted? What does an OO The Judge have on its Fisher Body tag? If it is 06, then OO is not a special order color for the GTO, since The Judge is in itself only an option on the GTO model. I'm thinking that the 72 and 06 colors were only marketed and intended to be The Judge specific, not mandated.

PonchoV8, what does the body tag on that non-Judge "OO" GTO read for paint?

[PonchoV8]

The code is actually 60 for Orbit Orange, but TommyHG's '70 non-Judge has 06 for a paint code as does my '70 Judge. It's a mistake done at the Pontiac plant where both our cars were built.

To me it doesn't seem it's a Judge only color. More correctly, it's a mostly Judge color. And if anybody could sit down and order the color off a chart, is it really special?

[gtoric]

Since your Judge does have the 06/60 paint code, I consider OO a standard color for the entire GTO line. However, it may have required Zone approval to order the color on anything other than a GTO with The Judge option.

Still like to find out what the non-Judge OO car had on the body tag for paint code.

[PonchoV8]

Like I posted above, the non Judge car has the same 06 06 code (just like my car). Here's the thread.

http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...5472#396105472

[SpartanMSU]

In most cases, a special-ordered color will have dashes in the paint code.

I also know some extra-cost colors, like Rallye Red on the Olds 4-4-2, that had dashes.

In other words, I don't know the rhyme or reason why the OO GTO and the RR Olds buck the prevailing wisdom. And, with that, I still don't believe OO was a normal color available on the standard GTO.

[85_SS]

Originally Posted by SpartanMSU

I also know some extra-cost colors, like Rallye Red on the Olds 4-4-2, that had dashes..

Sebring Yellow used on '70 Olds Rallye 350's also had the "- -" paint code on the trim tag. I always found this odd as it was the only colour the car came in and the colour does indeed have a paint code.

[marshallbeach]

I knew a guy who bought a brand new RAIV Orbit Orange GTO in 1970. I can't remember the time of build.

[north]

My experience with Pontiacs is that a "special order" color (i.e. not otherwise a Pontiac listed color) would have dashes for the paint code but "extra cost" colors w(i.e. windward on a GTO or Expresso on a Firebird in 69 for example) would have the normal letter code.

Endura cars were available with extra cost but not special order paint as a rule.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by thg99002

Could "SOLID SPECL" means that?

Yes, that is what it means.
Extra charge for that color on your car.
Just like a 69 GTO ordered in Carousel Red.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by north

My experience with Pontiacs is that a "special order" color (i.e. not otherwise a Pontiac listed color) would have dashes for the paint code but "extra cost" colors w(i.e. windward on a GTO or Expresso on a Firebird in 69 for example) would have the normal letter code.

Endura cars were available with extra cost but not special order paint as a rule.

I agree with all of that mostly.
And as always, there are seldom seen exceptions on rules too.

Dr.Doug has/or/had a PHS documented 70 Judge with - - data plate code and extra cost paint option. It was some kind of alligator green. Sold in Florida new.

RoundportPoncho has a PHS documented 70 Judge with - - data plate code and extra cost paint option. It is documented/verified Daytona Yellow (like a 69 camaro).

If you were at the right dealership with the right salesman/sales manager - i guess you could get things like this done ... sometimes.

I don't have either of those cars documents/pix of data plates handy on this comp ... but there were threads in the past that had all the info on them.

[Diego]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

RoundportPoncho has a PHS documented 70 Judge with - - data plate code and extra cost paint option. It is documented/verified Daytona Yellow (like a 69 camaro).

Um, Goldenrod Yellow (like a '70 Firebird).

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Well that lying dog
Should take him out back and shoot him in the arse !

He aint sucha bad guy really tho

But he did proclaim it as Daytona Yellow
And seems like he had original owner's statement on it, or paperwork, sumpn.

GoldenRod would have "probably"/ "more than likely" carried a code on the data tag for paint, instead of - -.

Ram4 4spd Judge #s
I've got cowl tag pic, pics of car, and buildsheet, on a crashed comp.

DrDougs is/was Ram3 4spd #s
I've got ""same as above""

[Diego]

I don't think the "- -" is a cut-and-dry issue. Take a look at Oldsmobiles and see how they indicated extra-cost colors. Of course, different GM companies handled similar circumstances in different manners, so it may not be a good comparison. But since the same color on the Firebird was called Goldenrod, it only makes sense to call it the same for the GTO per the color chips.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

I didn't even know daytona yellow was also a 70 color for Chevy.
oops ... thoughted it was just a 69'er.

And didn't know daytona and goldnerod were same color code/formula either.
Not doing too well for a veteran auto refinisher today.

Going by that - i see what you mean now. i think
Like calling a 69 Judge, Hugger Orange instead of Carousel Red.

A good local friend owns an Olds with special paint.
It has SPECIAL spelled out on data tag for paint code.
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