[Kevspontiacs@aol.com]

I realize he has a ton of work on his plate as it is but has anyone heard how his heads are coming along? I thought in another thread someone said they were going to be cast so I'm guessing he's moving along pretty good? Any other info like valve lay out that he or anyone else can share?
Kevin

[Dragncar]

Little info. Pretty sure RAV style cam, canted intake and exhaust valves. Clean sheet except will have to work around lifter locations.
All their own intake manifold and headers.
Bet they end up, the best. Like pretty much everything else he does IMO.
Last I heard, very busy with plenty of irons in the fire. Not too worried about him finishing my intake since I will take more time for the IA2 Gabby E head build and run a fresh stock block combo with my HOs most likely in 2019. Could put the High Ports on but will probably sell them.

[Kevspontiacs@aol.com]

Thought i would bump this since John has been posting
Kevin

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Little info. Pretty sure RAV style cam, canted intake and exhaust valves. Clean sheet except will have to work around lifter locations.
All their own intake manifold and headers.
Bet they end up, the best. Like pretty much everything else he does IMO.
Last I heard, very busy with plenty of irons in the fire. Not too worried about him finishing my intake since I will take more time for the IA2 Gabby E head build and run a fresh stock block combo with my HOs most likely in 2019. Could put the High Ports on but will probably sell them.

Never ever tell an engine builder or painter to take his time!

[dragracerx2813]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Never ever tell an engine builder or painter to take his time!

Or chassis builder .

[twooldgoats]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Never ever tell an engine builder or painter to take his time!

Ain't that the truth!


Jim

[john marcella]

I aint done jack on this yet. To consumed with other people's projects at the moment.

[Kevspontiacs@aol.com]

Thanx John
I figured if I started this thread you would probably run across it. I know you're busy that's why didn't wanna call and waste your time. Keep up the good work.
Kevin

[Kevspontiacs@aol.com]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Never ever tell an engine builder or painter to take his time!

My last machinist took a month for each piston and there was no mention of "take your time "

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Never ever tell an engine builder or painter to take his time!

Those are probably wise words. Whittmore had my stuff for years'.
But I am sure it will be worth it in the end.

[mgarblik]

Not always, but most of the time, having cash money and allot of it, makes things happen much faster than you can imagine. Lots of racing vendors realize their custom parts are time sensitive. BME, for example, has 5 or 6 price levels for parts based on how fast you need them. I can have a custom piston for our funny car in 1 day, if I am willing to pay for it. I think it was about 5 times the regular cost to have a piston or connecting rod made and delivered in 1 day. We are usually on the other end of the spectrum, where our stuff is put on hold so the high rollers can get their stuff quickly. That's why we try to allow 3-4 months of lead time when we order parts. One recent example of fantastic service at a price was at Norwalk 2 years ago. We killed 2 Manton pushrods on a warm-up Friday afternoon. (oiling issue) They are in CA, three hours earlier. I called them and explained the situation. Next day and $132.00 later, I had 2 pushrods sitting in the tower at the track. Great service and saved the weekend.

[Dragncar]

Pre paid does not always help. I pre paid for everything with Dan Whittmore and he had my stuff for years. Got it back after he passed. He was known for taking a long time, then had a bunch of health issues.
Only thing I did not get was the bore and deck job. And the BOP seal.
Moral of the story, one man shop and big health issues it can get difficult.

[john marcella]

Originally Posted by mgarblik

Not always, but most of the time, having cash money and allot of it, makes things happen much faster than you can imagine. Lots of racing vendors realize their custom parts are time sensitive. BME, for example, has 5 or 6 price levels for parts based on how fast you need them. I can have a custom piston for our funny car in 1 day, if I am willing to pay for it. I think it was about 5 times the regular cost to have a piston or connecting rod made and delivered in 1 day. We are usually on the other end of the spectrum, where our stuff is put on hold so the high rollers can get their stuff quickly. That's why we try to allow 3-4 months of lead time when we order parts. One recent example of fantastic service at a price was at Norwalk 2 years ago. We killed 2 Manton pushrods on a warm-up Friday afternoon. (oiling issue) They are in CA, three hours earlier. I called them and explained the situation. Next day and $132.00 later, I had 2 pushrods sitting in the tower at the track. Great service and saved the weekend.

Yes having a customer for a job turns it into a real job ! At this point I have no customer so it gets back Burnered to real jobs. At this point it's just something that I want to do because i want to do it.
It will happen, It's just not the priority

[john marcella]

I have started laying out the valve angles and configuration in CAD. Nothing final yet just analyzing a few things.

Just to be clear it will not be anything like a ram air 5 layout like previously mentioned an earlier post.

Layout will be IEEIIEEI. Prob 9x5 ish on intake and prob 3x2 ish on ex. Will work well With existing block architecture !

[john marcella]

Name will be ....ML9

[7T2]

Originally Posted by john marcella

Layout will be IEEIIEEI. Prob 9x5 ish on intake and prob 3x2 ish on ex. Will work well With existing block architecture !

Hmm- sounds familiar... 10 x 5 & 2 x2- just sayin-

to be clear-
everyone on this site seems to love you...but hates me...

except mjm421 who just went 9.49 @ 139 in his 3450lb '63 lemans street driver w/ your cv-1's

[john marcella]

Originally Posted by 7T2

Hmm- sounds familiar... 10 x 5 & 2 x2- just sayin-

to be clear-
everyone on this site seems to love you...but hates me...

except mjm421 who just went 9.49 @ 139 in his 3450lb '63 lemans street driver w/ your cv-1's

While angles may be similar on paper I can promise you ,you will find no similarities within the cyl head. These angles are very relevant to placement within the bore To maximize dynamic curtain area. My valve placement and architecture versus yours is grossly different.

[mgarblik]

Originally Posted by john marcella

Yes having a customer for a job turns it into a real job ! At this point I have no customer so it gets back Burnered to real jobs. At this point it's just something that I want to do because i want to do it.
It will happen, It's just not the priority

I hope everyone wishing and hoping for the "ultimate" Pontiac head understands your post. You obviously have the skills and ability to make this happen. But the time and effort diverted to this project comes directly away from "paying projects". If someone showed up at your place with a fat checkbook or a Brinks truck, a chunk of aluminum would begin looking like a Pontiac head pretty quickly, I imagine. I hope someone steps up to the plate and you can get together.

[Elarson]

Originally Posted by john marcella

Layout will be IEEIIEEI. !

I'm asking this because I'm curious....not as one of the internet naysayers. Why did you choose this valve arrangement?

I'm obviously a fan of the RA5 layout but I wonder why nobody has gotten really bold and done a fully symmetric valve arrangement for the traditional Pontiac.

Thoughts?

Eric

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by Elarson

I'm asking this because I'm curious....not as one of the internet naysayers. Why did you choose this valve arrangement?

I'm obviously a fan of the RA5 layout but I wonder why nobody has gotten really bold and done a fully symmetric valve arrangement for the traditional Pontiac.

Thoughts?

Eric

My guess...it would really look like a Ford then. In the 60's Pontiac had an interest in OHC engines.
Personally think we are long overdue for a 24, 32 or 40 valve OHC head. Or get radical and use cam in block for exhaust and ohc for intake.