[fiedlerh]

The EPA tries this every few years, but thankfully they never get anywhere:
EPA SEEKS TO PROHIBIT CONVERSION OF VEHICLES INTO RACECARS
https://www.sema.org/news/2016/02/08...-into-racecars

[steve25]

There needs to be a law that stops people who enter Government from becoming idiots!!!

[mgarblik]

Have worked for decades behind the scenes to help educate said politicians and policy makers to have an understanding of hobby cars and race cars. Once they actually understand how large the hobby is, how it effects the economy, and how it has virtually NO EFFECT on air quality, they seem to back off. Most just don't understand what we do and why. A small number are true tree hugging morons who would like us live in caves and use no energy of any kind to live.

[sdbob]

They probably, tree huggers,ride a bicycle! They don'T Have gas,And don't fly. I shouldn't be cynical. Thanks for what you are doing to promote the hobby. I work for govt and can't see some of the logic, just the politics.

[Elarson]

The EPA solved some real pollution problems. But now with the important stuff mostly under control, they are in search of new issues to keep themselves relevant and employed. Race cars, lead bullets, CO2, etc. are all on their radar.

Eric

[mgarblik]

I would be the last man on earth to wave the flag for the EPA. But one example of long term success would be the fact that 1 1960's V-8 engine emits 40 times the emissions of HC, CO in grams/per mile when compared to a current new car. That is generally viewed as a good thing. One of the things I try to point out however when the tree huggers go crazy is you have to look at the total numbers. These old cars make up less than 1% of the cars still around and they drive less than 10% of the miles driven by the average car. A big problem with the EPA is they have policy making power and capability, also implementation capability, and enforcement. All in the realm of one government agency. To me, that's where the problem lies with the EPA. No checks and balances. They have that "all powerful" assumption. That's why priorities get so screwed up. They are not often questioned or called to task for what they do or don't do. They tend to pick projects that are interesting and in the political eye of those funding them at the time. Look at the river out West the EPA has ruined for generations to come and all the lives and incomes ruined. All the EPA has to say is "sorry about that" and "we will pay for the damage". No they won't, tax payers will pay for the damage. The EPA is far from perfect, but they have done some good.

[hurryinhoosier62]

Originally Posted by Elarson

The EPA solved some real pollution problems. But now with the important stuff mostly under control, they are in search of new issues to keep themselves relevant and employed. Race cars, lead bullets, CO2, etc. are all on their radar.

Eric

All those plus the TEL in aviation gasoline.

[hurryinhoosier62]

Originally Posted by mgarblik

I would be the last man on earth to wave the flag for the EPA. But one example of long term success would be the fact that 1 1960's V-8 engine emits 40 times the emissions of HC, CO in grams/per mile when compared to a current new car. That is generally viewed as a good thing. One of the things I try to point out however when the tree huggers go crazy is you have to look at the total numbers. These old cars make up less than 1% of the cars still around and they drive less than 10% of the miles driven by the average car. A big problem with the EPA is they have policy making power and capability, also implementation capability, and enforcement. All in the realm of one government agency. To me, that's where the problem lies with the EPA. No checks and balances. They have that "all powerful" assumption. That's why priorities get so screwed up. They are not often questioned or called to task for what they do or don't do. They tend to pick projects that are interesting and in the political eye of those funding them at the time. Look at the river out West the EPA has ruined for generations to come and all the lives and incomes ruined. All the EPA has to say is "sorry about that" and "we will pay for the damage". No they won't, tax payers will pay for the damage. The EPA is far from perfect, but they have done some good.

Well said, Mike.

[60man]

To me they(EPA) becomes very narrow minded.
Thanks Mike for your involment. It behoves all of us to become involved!

[coonhunter70]

Originally Posted by Elarson

The EPA solved some real pollution problems. But now with the important stuff mostly under control, they are in search of new issues to keep themselves relevant and employed. Race cars, lead bullets, CO2, etc. are all on their radar.

Eric

For Sure!

[b-man]

Do you care?

If so, then sign the petition: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...les-racecars-0

[bendutro]

Originally Posted by mgarblik

I would be the last man on earth to wave the flag for the EPA. But one example of long term success would be the fact that 1 1960's V-8 engine emits 40 times the emissions of HC, CO in grams/per mile when compared to a current new car. That is generally viewed as a good thing. One of the things I try to point out however when the tree huggers go crazy is you have to look at the total numbers. These old cars make up less than 1% of the cars still around and they drive less than 10% of the miles driven by the average car. A big problem with the EPA is they have policy making power and capability, also implementation capability, and enforcement. All in the realm of one government agency. To me, that's where the problem lies with the EPA. No checks and balances. They have that "all powerful" assumption. That's why priorities get so screwed up. They are not often questioned or called to task for what they do or don't do. They tend to pick projects that are interesting and in the political eye of those funding them at the time. Look at the river out West the EPA has ruined for generations to come and all the lives and incomes ruined. All the EPA has to say is "sorry about that" and "we will pay for the damage". No they won't, tax payers will pay for the damage. The EPA is far from perfect, but they have done some good.

Industry would have cleaned up anyway, even without the regulation.

[mgarblik]

I would like to think so and agree with you. Unfortunately, history of the auto industry does not support that. A fun one to review is the Tucker automobile. Loaded with advanced safety features, it became the #1 target to crush because if the big 3 had to conform, it would have eaten into their profits. The auto industry has little to no incentive to improve safety, fuel economy, and emissions unless there is some push from government. These items are very hard to sell on their own merits unless outside influences push the buyer, like $5.00 a gallon gas. That's why right now with 1.39 a gallon gas you can get 6K off the sticker price of a new Prius and they are advertising the hell out of them. Nobody in their right mind would buy one if they felt they didn't have to. I am not in favor of mandates, especially ones from government with little or no input from industry. But working together, and creating reasonable goals, the product improves . I love and own 60's cars. But it's hard to make a case that new cars are not as good in every area we can measure.

[Overkillphil]

Signed.

[twooldgoats]

From another site:

EPA CLARIFICATION

This clarification does not affect EPA's enforcement authority. It is still illegal to tamper with or defeat the emission control systems of motor vehicles. In the course of selecting cases for enforcement, the EPA has and will continue to consider whether the tampered vehicle is used exclusively for competition. The EPA remains primarily concerned with cases where the tampered vehicle is used on public roads, and more specifically with aftermarket manufacturers who sell devices that defeat emission control systems on vehicles used on public roads.

Jim

[BruceWilkie]

The beauracracy of it all is the issue that needs to be addressed. if one of us makes a mod that actually improves over the standard they set we would still be guilty of violating their rules. the little guy cant afford the certification process. More infuriating is the assumption the little guy couldnt do better than the large company.

[Overkillphil]

Agree Bruce. They are in bed with industry in many cases as golden boys are rewarded by writing the regulations (directly or indirectly) around a particular technology or design. I've also run into this on a State DEP level. Particular types of equipment for example ends up being mandated as the "best available technology". This of course completely favors the large Companies/Corporations and forces the little guy out of the game. And as many of us are already aware, regulations are often drafted by those same Corporations or in conjunction with the EPA "Specialists" as that is one of their favorite Job Titles.

[jlm69]

SIGNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[b-man]

Already just over the required 100,000 signatures in less than 24 hours.

[Overkillphil]