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Old 02-13-2012, 05:12 PM
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i am converting my 69 FIREBIRD 4 SPD TO AUTOMATIC, i want to take this car to the track at least once at month, i want to drive it to the track and back...looking for for mid to high 7's et 1/8 mile...this is my combo right now in the car:
PONTIAC 455. 060 TRW'S
stock RODS
71 #96 heads, cleaned (intake-exh) and ported matched to r/a felpro gaskets
7/16 rocker studs
comp cams #995 springs
crower 60211 camshaft 236*-242* at .050, 509-516, 108 lsa
th400 trans rebuild with stage II shift kit
12 bolt, 3.55 gears posi, moser axles, 1/2-3 studs
STAGE 2 QUADRAJET by jet performance
intake manifold is stock but my switch to tomahawk
aeromotive fuel pump, 8an fuel line, stock tank with sump
my question will be on the TORQUE CONVERTER, CAMSHAFT,since i want to drive it on the street but minimal?--can you recommend any, thanks
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Old 02-13-2012, 05:47 PM
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What is your compression?.......if the heads are not ported, you may be wasting your money on a different cam......what's your rig weigh in at?......you may not need much motor to reach your goal depending on weight........a 3500 + stall is always good..going to depend where you go with cam and such....

....may not want to spin that motor up toooooo high given the heavy slugs and stock rods.....

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see signature, for performance results vs fuel Octane & weight

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What is your compression?.......if the heads are not ported, you may be wasting your money on a different cam......what's your rig weigh in at?......you may not need much motor to reach your goal depending on weight........a 3500 + stall is always good..going to depend where you go with cam and such....

....may not want to spin that motor up toooooo high given the heavy slugs and stock rods.....
compression is around 9.5...car is all steel, i think about 3400 lbs, want to keep the rpms at about 5200- ...i was looking at this camshafts crower 60311 , cc xe284 and ppr TC-2.....and converter at around 2800-3200 stall

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Old 02-13-2012, 06:41 PM
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Of those,the Crower solid #60311 would be my #1 choice.

But honestly a slightly bigger solid might be worth considering too.

Something like the Comp 290b,or the UD 288/296 solid,or possibly even a custom ground flat tappet solid cam.

Converter,lots of choices,PTC,Continental,ATI,among others.

Stall,that can be difficult to say for sure till you get something in the car and do some testing,I'd likely start between 3400 to 3800 stall myself,with good efficiency (ie: fairly tight) for decent street manners,and still be ready to go when the converter is flashed hard @ launch.

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What does the car run right now for track times?

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compression is around 9.5...car is all steel, i think about 3400 lbs, want to keep the rpms at about 5200- ...i was looking at this camshafts crower 60311 , cc xe284 and ppr TC-2.....and converter at around 2800-3200 stall
According to Crower website that camshaft you want makes power from 3000 to 6500. I think you can go high 7's with a hyd cam 60919 or 60244.

http://www.crower.com/catalogsearch/...t=25&q=pontiac

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My 12.6 ET was with a LOW Stall Converter & expect very low 12's with the High Stall working now.

My Cam is a Tomahawk grind, from Ace Brewer; darn similar to your Crower item.

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What does the car run right now for track times?
i haven taken the car to the track with the 4 speed,thats why i am swapping th400, i dont like stick shift for racing, i want to run the car with the current 60211 camshaft see what it does, then go from there...my friends has a similar 455 combo with the same cam, he run 8.20 at 87 1/8, that equals to 12.70 et 1/4, with stock suspension all around...

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My 12.6 ET was with a LOW Stall Converter & expect very low 12's with the High Stall working now.

My Cam is a Tomahawk grind, from Ace Brewer; darn similar to your Crower item.
yes i see, but i think the 112 lsa in your camshaft give it a better torque and broad power band...

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i haven taken the car to the track with the 4 speed,thats why i am swapping th400, i dont like stick shift for racing, i want to run the car with the current 60211 camshaft see what it does, then go from there...my friends has a similar 455 combo with the same cam, he run 8.20 at 87 1/8, that equals to 12.70 et 1/4, with stock suspension all around...
That is a good plan, put a good quality converter in it and run it to see what it does and make changes from there.High twelves would be a good goal.

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UD 280/280 on a 108 worked really good for me. You'll probably need a bit more spring, though. My motor liked shifting up around 5700-5900 with that cam, about perfect with the custom Hughes (about 3300) and 3.42 gears.

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i am converting my 69 FIREBIRD 4 SPD TO AUTOMATIC, i want to take this car to the track at least once at month, i want to drive it to the track and back...looking for for mid to high 7's et 1/8 mile...this is my combo right now in the car:
PONTIAC 455. 060 TRW'S
stock RODS
71 #96 heads, cleaned (intake-exh) and ported matched to r/a felpro gaskets
7/16 rocker studs
comp cams #995 springs
crower 60211 camshaft 236*-242* at .050, 509-516, 108 lsa
th400 trans rebuild with stage II shift kit
12 bolt, 3.55 gears posi, moser axles, 1/2-3 studs
STAGE 2 QUADRAJET by jet performance
intake manifold is stock but my switch to tomahawk
aeromotive fuel pump, 8an fuel line, stock tank with sump
my question will be on the TORQUE CONVERTER, CAMSHAFT,since i want to drive it on the street but minimal?--can you recommend any, thanks
If it were me I would start where your at with the engine AND run the 3500 Continental converter. The Jim H. special. Follow Cliff Ruggles older combo. JD

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I'm running a 276/280-10 solid Ultradyne with a 3500 converter and I am very comfortably in the 12's and scratching for the 11's at 6000ft actual elevation. Cam duration @ .050 243/247 .510/.525 lift with very ported but iron 6X-4 heads.

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[QUOTE=71 Ventura II;4551783]If it were me I would start where your at with the engine AND run the 3500 Continental converter. The Jim H. special. Follow Cliff Ruggles older combo. JD[/QUOTE---THAT IS GOING TO BE MY PLAN FOR NOW, GET A CONTINENTAL OR SIMILAR TORQUE CONVERTER, NOT TOO LOOSE AS I PLAN TO DRIVE MY CAR

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If it were me I would start where your at with the engine AND run the 3500 Continental converter. The Jim H. special. Follow Cliff Ruggles older combo. JD[/QUOTE---THAT IS GOING TO BE MY PLAN FOR NOW, GET A CONTINENTAL OR SIMILAR TORQUE CONVERTER, NOT TOO LOOSE AS I PLAN TO DRIVE MY CAR
Stick with the Continental...the results are virtually guaranteed..I've had a 3200 10 inch for 8 yrs and love it.

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i am converting my 69 FIREBIRD 4 SPD TO AUTOMATIC, i want to take this car to the track at least once at month, i want to drive it to the track and back...looking for for mid to high 7's et 1/8 mile...this is my combo right now in the car:
PONTIAC 455. 060 TRW'S
stock RODS
71 #96 heads, cleaned (intake-exh) and ported matched to r/a felpro gaskets
7/16 rocker studs
comp cams #995 springs
crower 60211 camshaft 236*-242* at .050, 509-516, 108 lsa
th400 trans rebuild with stage II shift kit
12 bolt, 3.55 gears posi, moser axles, 1/2-3 studs
STAGE 2 QUADRAJET by jet performance
intake manifold is stock but my switch to tomahawk
aeromotive fuel pump, 8an fuel line, stock tank with sump
my question will be on the TORQUE CONVERTER, CAMSHAFT,since i want to drive it on the street but minimal?--can you recommend any, thanks
With proper converter, this car should easily run mid-low 12's(with traction)... Id say a good 10'' 3500-3600 is the way to go... Id call either ATI, Continental, Coan... My 62 runs 12teens with a very similar combo to yours( i have 10'' Coan 3500)... Wouldnt recommend an intake swap with your combo... Your cam is fine for what you are wanting to do. You plannin on runnin slicks? What are running for traction aid? Keep us posted...

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BRENT FLYNN---FOR TRACTION THE CARS IS ALREADY EQUIPPED WITH CALTRAC BARS AND LEAF SPRINGS, KYB 8 POINT ADJUSTABLE REAR SHOCKS AND 3 WAY ADJ. ON THE FRONT, TIRES I MAY GO M/T 275 OR 295-65 15 ON WELDS 15X10-5.5 BS, NO FRAME CONNECTORS.....THAT SHOULD TAKE CARE OF ANY TRACT PROBLEMS, ON THE CONVERTER NEED TO SAVE MY MONEY TO GET ME A GOOD ONE 3200-3500....THANKS GUYS FOR ALL THE TIPS AND ADVICE

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Sounds like you are headed in the right direction! If you ever put subframe connectors in, you'll be glad you did...

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Jim Hand converter is proven! The car will launch with one for sure

The 295/65 m/t is awesome and will kill a little gear

Thats where I would start.

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