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#1
09-22-2010, 06:19 PM
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1971 Blue Judge
Any one know of a 1971 Judge, Blue with M21, out of Glossen Motors in Siler City NC?
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#2
09-22-2010, 06:44 PM
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Do you have it's motor?
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#3
09-22-2010, 07:35 PM
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Sounds like The Boss knows something....
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09-22-2010, 07:42 PM
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 Unfortunately, no.  A guy emailed me looking for it. He was the 2nd owner and wanted to know if it's still around. Figured there weren't that many blue 71's made. 
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#5
09-22-2010, 07:50 PM
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I thought all Judges in 71 that had 4 speeds got the M22's?
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09-22-2010, 09:01 PM
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You're correct Mike, my money's on a typo - when it comes to things like this, John doesn't make many mistakes.
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#7
09-22-2010, 09:49 PM
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Yep, typo.
The guy also said it may have been Adriatic Blue or Lucerne Blue.
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John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
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#8
09-22-2010, 10:34 PM
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PY member Guilty H.O. restored a Lucy Blue 71 Judge that originally came out of NC. It is now in a collection here in GA. You got a VIN?
BJ
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09-22-2010, 10:47 PM
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No.
I'll have to ask him if he has the VIN. Sounds promising on the info you have.
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John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
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#10
09-23-2010, 07:23 AM
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I know a guy who is restoring a 71 Lucy blue 4spd up here in NH.
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09-23-2010, 07:46 AM
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Adratic Blue would be more rare..Wasn't the 3 speed in HPP AB? Nice to hear about those Blue 71's out there getting restored. Jeff, Roger??
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#12
09-23-2010, 11:24 AM
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The guy said he hasn't been able to find the VIN, looked for years.
Guess his Grandmother is the one who purchased it for him back then. Also said it was the only 71 Judge sold at Glossen Motors. So if it is on the PHS as being from Glossen Motors, I'd be interested also as I don't have that dealer code either.
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John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
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#13
09-23-2010, 11:29 AM
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I'll call Don and see if he still has the PHS on the one he restored. If it shows Glossen Motors that would be pretty cool. I know it was built at the Atlanta plant which would make sense for an NC car.
Mike, you are correct, that HPP article on the Adriatic Blue 71 Judge did say it had a 3-speed. The owner left it that way because it was so rare. BJ
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09-23-2010, 01:13 PM
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Thanks, OVERULD.
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John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
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#15
09-23-2010, 02:48 PM
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John
I spoke with Don and he reminded me that the Judge he restored had some unique options. It was Lucerne Blue, black interior, 4-speed, with AC, but it had manual drum brakes and manual steering, and in-dash tach. He said he bought it from a guy here in Georgia, then sold it to a buddy who kept it for a while and traced it back to its original owner - then sold it back to Don, who restored it and then sold it. It is now owned by the guy in Atlanta who owns that Castillian Bronze 71 Judge Vert. Don will email the PHS to me and I'll shoot you a PM with the dealer name, etc. But, it sounds like it is not the same car. BJ
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1971 GTO 455 HO 4-speed - Cameo White, White Vinyl Top, Jade Green Interior, Ram Air Hood, AC, Honeycombs and 8-track 1974 Formula 455 I Owned in 1975-1976. Now Own Its Twin From Same Dealership
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09-26-2010, 10:31 PM
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Do you know when the original owner sold the Judge? If he sold it sometime before about 1975, it's very possible it was destroyed in an accident.
I bought the motor and transmission out of what may have been a 71 Judge in 1975 or 1976 in Charlotte NC. The car was definitely a 455HO 4-spd. It had been hit very hard in the rear and was totaled. The car was Lucerne Blue and had stripes and a rear spoiler. At that time, nobody was into documentation, and dealers were selling "Dealer Option" Judge kits. I knew little about Judges back then, but I knew I wanted a 455. I bought the motor and tranny for cash plus and old motor and Saginaw. I believe he was in the process of negotiating with the insurance company, and wasn't too happy with what they were offering him. The car was hit very hard, so it was most likely totalled. The economy was pretty bad around that time, gas prices were high, so it's unlikely anybody would have fixed it. I don't know what happened to it after I got the engine. It wasn't until I tried putting the motor/trans in my 67 400 Firebird that I discovered the difference between D-port engines and round port engines. I ended up putting a 70 GP 455 in the bird and setting the 71 455HO motor aside for many years. I sold the motor about ten years ago to a guy restoring a 71 Judge in the north-east. I didn't bother pulling the VIN off of the block. I'm pretty sure the GTO was Lucerne Blue, since there was a blue 71 T/A running around where I lived. I don't remember much about the GTO beyond that it was blue. I think it had a set of Keystones or Cragars on it when it was wrecked. Mike |
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#17
09-27-2010, 10:08 AM
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Update - the 71 Lucy Blue Judge that Don restored was sold by Hampton Pontiac, in Columbia, SC. VIN: 242371P115133
BJ
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09-27-2010, 11:51 AM
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Thanks, BJ for the info.
Sounded at first like it could be it. ramair3formula, does the guy you know have the PHS on it?
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John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
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