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balancing (engine ear)
Thought a place had a bubble balencer for 8 lugers here in South Dakota. No luck when I got there.
Saw were Engine ear did a thing a while back for them. Would like to attend the next one. Mama wants me to go to Chicago to see the kid, in school there. Not unless I gots real good reason will I go to Chicago anymore. This would be. But, the Bonnie would shake apart before I get there. Any one know about the equall stuff? I know you do not use them in semi tires, or motorcycle tires. (If you do your own tire work). Many shops will not work on tires that have had the stuff put in em also. Gettin desparte as it shakes alot at 75 mph.
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There are more than one brand of "balancing powder" or "balancing beads" used in the heavy truck industry. The powder actually does a good job of dynamically balancing the rolling mass as it spins. This is why a semi never worries about throwing a balancing weight.
Maybe someone else can offer a reason why this method isn't used in passenger car tires.
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They used to use soapstone dust for this b/c it is a very dense stone & grinds up like talc. I happen to live on a mountain of the stuff. It never occurred to me to try it though. Hmmmmm.
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"If you do everything you'll win" -LBJ 13 Smiles per Gallon: 66 Bonneville wagon 66 Bonneville 2d HT - In perpetual progress |
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Had what seemed like very small rubber balls in tires on front. Got them out and ballence seems better.
Still would like a bit better as I do get kinda picky when I can fix somethin easy like.
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Here's an article about a specific idea: http://www.jalopyjournal.com/?p=9083 ...passed the "Ryan Test" on the Jalopy Journal...has my vote.
...Plus I don't blame you for neither wanting to shake the filings out of your head nor drive in Chicago... |
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Found some Equal today. Will try that. Then maybe can get to one your balencing things.
Thanks all.
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Why don't you have the tire/wheel combo balanced with a regular dynamic balance machine?? You could even spin balance them on a old Hunter or a Alimite strobe balancer but it's not as good as the new type of balancers.
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It is a PITA with 8 lugs. You have to put each wheel on a rear drum and have it done that way if doing it off the car, which does not guarantee it will be right either if there is an issue with the drum. To me the on-the-car is the way to go. I know these things are in barns everywhere.
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"If you do everything you'll win" -LBJ 13 Smiles per Gallon: 66 Bonneville wagon 66 Bonneville 2d HT - In perpetual progress |
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FYI hubs are a more accurate way to to balance, centers of drums can vary because the backing can distort on mount up with a wheel attached, better to use the races in the hub to line up your cones on the machine. Don Last edited by U47; 07-03-2010 at 05:59 PM. Reason: added information |
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You are a lucky man if you have a shop that will do all that near you. There is nobody within 100 miles of me that will go through the hassle of truing the hub and then putting all 5 wheels on it to balance. It will be be better for my 100 MPH & below car to have a continuous source of balancing.
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"If you do everything you'll win" -LBJ 13 Smiles per Gallon: 66 Bonneville wagon 66 Bonneville 2d HT - In perpetual progress |
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You get Your own hubs for yourself, I have them for early Ford and VW Porsche and for Pontaic and once they are balanced by you or someone else they are used when needed. Everyone who has a eight lug car should have one made up so the new equipment can be used. It's cheap and they can be found in a junk yard for pennies. Do not drive the races out of the hubs because you use them to true the cones for the balancer. A good balancer will have the small cones and a small arbor for the cones.
Don Last edited by U47; 07-03-2010 at 07:12 PM. |
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For those of you POCI members, have a look at Ron Panzer's latest 8-lug article in Smoke Signals... his balancer is old school, probably affordable (IF you can find one - possibly a big if, I grant you) and passes the sniff test... gravity (g-downward for you engineering types) still happens at 9.8 m/s^2 and imbalance can't hide. |
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What town are you in? I'll arrive out of balance and leave in-balance!
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Engine-ear, any good tire shop in California, Arizona, Nevada. Even the chain stores like Cost-Co. Wal-Mart ect. that have their own tire centers.
Don |
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OK. I'm gonna head into my local Wal-Mart with my 8-lugs and see what they say.
Maybe if we all do it during the same week we can get an 'Alice's Restaurant' type movement going.
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"If you do everything you'll win" -LBJ 13 Smiles per Gallon: 66 Bonneville wagon 66 Bonneville 2d HT - In perpetual progress |
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Don |
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Screw that U47. I am going to drive the car in there and watch them try to figure out what in the hell to do. They are gonna think that it is some kind of wheel cover with fake lugs in that pattern.
You are in some kind of dream world if you think Wal-Mart is gonna do a balance job on a car with 8 lug wheels. Stay tuned. I know the guy at Sam's. I have bought thousands of dollars worth of tires from him. We will see what happens when he pulls that wagon into the bay. Don't get me wrong, I respect your expertise, but if an actual alignment shop wont touch this job, I am going to see what they are gonna do at the big box b/c I am in dire need of a good laugh.
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"If you do everything you'll win" -LBJ 13 Smiles per Gallon: 66 Bonneville wagon 66 Bonneville 2d HT - In perpetual progress Last edited by Deadhead; 07-04-2010 at 06:48 PM. |
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Stay calm, talk to the store manager and tell him what your trying to do. If he is a good guy he will try to help you out. Don't wait for the diffuculties, explain how you want this done, not saying anything and letting them figure it out NOT to your satisfaction just causes friction unless your prepaired to go to battle or sit and complain. The hub-drum balance deal works, I've done this job many times before so be positive and go in there with a positive attitude not a negative one. Be nice! your a nice guy right! No worries!
Don |
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