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Old 09-24-2007, 07:40 PM
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Default Washer setup -- something is wrong

I had no washer fluid setup so ordered all the parts. My mechanic was about done with the tubing but noticed that the passenger side metal tube seemingly goes in the wrong place. On the driver's side, the metal tube lies in its own little place and comes up through the cowl. On the other side (pictures hopefully show what I mean) there is a place for the metal tube but it comes up in the middle of nowhere.

How is this supposed to go?
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:08 PM
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For a minute I thought you were asking about the left (driver side) washer mystery in which there are two different washer nozzel routings with unknown reason.

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So how the hell does he wire this thing if the place for the metal nozzle is in the wrong place?!?!

Mine IS in the wrong place according to the pics, no?

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Not that I know it makes a difference, but is yours a 68 or 69? I dont remember...mine is 69...I can take pics of mine as I go home in a bit....I remember myself being in a quandry myself over that ...got them mounted right now though...I`ll make myself a note...hope to post pics in the am...

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Old 09-24-2007, 08:19 PM
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So how the hell does he wire this thing if the place for the metal nozzle is in the wrong place?!?!

Mine IS in the wrong place according to the pics, no?
It looks like your right one is just missing. The left is at least routed in one of the two correct locations. I can't see if the correct left nozzle is there or not from the pictures.

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Mine is a '67 and there is no nozzle there. When he went to put it in place, he said there was nowhere for it to go through -- like on the other side, the nozzle comes up through the cowl to squirt the liquid.

But with the other side, the placement is about 6 inches away from the cowl, so where would the nozzle come up through?

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Maybe this will help explain a little better but don't laugh at my poor Photoshop skills.

On the right side of the photo (driver's side) the nozzle goes into the cowl. On the left side, there is no opening for it to come out of, the cowl is way over on the left.
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If its like my 69, it lays in that groove that is next to your red line, the groove in the top of the firewall.
You take off the cowl panel and lay it in the groove, when you tighten the cowl panel back down it will hold the nozzle in place.

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But the cowl is several inches from where the nozzle would go -- that's the issue. If he puts the nozzle in place, there is no where for it to come out through to squirt ...

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If it is the correct nozzle, it should be shaped so it will squirt through the passenger side cowl slot. not through the vent area with all the narrow slats in it but through the slot closer to the middle of the car, between the vents. (there are 2 horizontal slots each is about 6" long and 1" wide.) If you pop the cowl off, you will see how it lays. Be careful not to scratch the paint taking the wiper arms off.

Where does your driver side one come out of the cowl?

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The driver's side appears to come out of the middle of the vents on the driver's side -- (see photo above in my first post)

But the passenger side is 4-6" from those vents and there is nothing in the middle (see photos above)

I still don't understand because the vent area is inches from the dip in the firewall where the nozzle would go.

I'm assuming they sent the correct nozzles as I ordered a complete setup for the washer from bottle, bracket, tubing to nozzles.

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This is how a 69 works, I circled the tips of the nozzles.

Maybe if you post a pic of the nozzle we can figure it out
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I just looked at my '67. The right (passenger) side comes up through where you have your red line. It is not symmetrical. In other words, the left (driver) side comes up through one of the small slots in the cowl (your's is installed in your picture) and the right side comes up through the the right large slot that runs across the car (like 69bluebird's picture). There is an indentation on the top of the firewall on both sides, as seen in your picture. Hope this helps.

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I think the placement of the left nozzle in some 1st Gens is what is confusing the issue.

A second nozzle type put the left nozzel in a different location. If 1965GTOTempest is trying to visualize the location of the right nozzle based on the left on the 1st location type, it would be confusing. Here are a few pictures of two '68s with different factory locations: Both are absolutely correct but quite different.




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Jim,
Are those both '67's? Just curious if there were different locations on '67's specifically.

I can clearly see the indentations on the top of the firewall on her picture, same location as mine...can't post my pics from home.

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They are both '68s. A Dec and a Jan build. Both have the indentations however one car (mine) does not use one of them. '67s may have only used the indentations, based on the parts book part numbers available. That would then probably mean that one would emerge from the big opening and one from the grill on her car.

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They are both '68s. A Dec and a Jan build. Both have the indentations however one car (mine) does not use one of them. '67s may have only used the indentations, based on the parts book part numbers available. That would then probably mean that one would emerge from the big opening and one from the grill on her car.
OK, thanks for the clarification. Mine definitely uses both indentations and the nozzles come up in different locations as you describe.

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Ok, see this picture? This is the passenger side. See the indentation? Now, if you were to lay a nozzle in the indentation, WHERE would it squirt out of? The vent on the cowl is over on the left, not right in front of it.
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Now, here is the right side (driver's side). See how the nozzle follows up right through the cowl vent?

On the other side there is no opening for it to come through to squirt
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Ok, see this picture? This is the passenger side. See the indentation? Now, if you were to lay a nozzle in the indentation, WHERE would it squirt out of? The vent on the cowl is over on the left, not right in front of it.
It will squirt out of the large rectangular hole. See Jim's last picture of the Red car. Look at the right large rectangular hole. You can see the nozzle.

Edit: Not the nozzle with the arrow by it, that is the driver's (left) side of the '68, not a '67. Look at the passenger (right) side, that is the same place the nozzle will go on a '67, which will be where the indentation is on the firewall.


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