[RobbMc]

All forum members who purchase a RobbMc Pontiac starter between now and midnite October 22nd 2006 will receive a rebate check in the mail during the month of November 2006.

http://www.robbmcperformance.com/pro...rter_home.html

http://www.robbmcperformance.com/pro...c_starter.html

The amount of the rebate depends on the total number of starters purchased by forum members between now and October 22nd. The more starters purchased, the larger the rebate checks:

Total # of starters purchased by members, Amount of rebate
1 starter, 1%
2 starters, 2%
3 starters, 3%
4 starters, 4%
etc., etc. up to 25 starters, 25%

If more than 25 starters are purchased, the rebate will be 25%. Rebate percentage refers to selling price only and does not include the cost of shipping.

Selling price is $215. Shipping to any 48 states address is a flat fee of $15. Please contact me if you live outside the 48 states as shipping will be higher.
(robb@robbmcperformance.com)

At 25% the rebate checks would be $53.75.

If you live in the 48 states, starters can be ordered directly from our website using a credit card or Paypal. If you live outside the lower 48, you can place an order with a credit card by calling 775-885-7411.

When purchasing a starter, you MUST state your forum user name and the name of the forum in order to get the rebate check. Each time a forum member purchases a starter I will post it on this thread so all members can see the the total number of starters purchased so far and how much the rebate checks are going to be. The more people that purchase, the more money everyone saves.

Thanks,

Robb

[RobbMc]

Sorry for the multiple posts. Don't know how it happened or why.

[6t7gto]

Robb,
does it have to be a pontiac starter?

david

[RobbMc]

Sorry, yes. In order to make the group purchase possible we payed the machine shop to make a larger run of Pontiac noses. They give us a better price on larger runs and then we use the savings to offer the group purchase.

[78 GHOST]

Could you please inform me about this product? With the hi-torque mini starters out there, why did you choose to create a better mousetrap?

I'm not being sarcastic, I'd just like to learn about this product.

[70 lucerne lemans]

Im in the market for a starter,these look nice.If we can get enough guys to buy it would bring the price close to a Summit el cheap o.

[steve]

im looking for one....

thats 1 and counting...

[RobbMc]

Originally Posted by 78 GHOST

Could you please inform me about this product? With the hi-torque mini starters out there, why did you choose to create a better mousetrap?

I'm not being sarcastic, I'd just like to learn about this product.

No problem. Many of the advantages to our starter are listed here:

http://www.robbmcperformance.com/pro...rter_home.html

but I don't mind elaborating.

I worked for Tilton Engineering during the '80's and helped design some of the very first gear reduced mini starters for American V8s. In the years since then I have spent a lot of time thinking about how I would design a starter if I were to start from a clean sheet.

1. I wanted to use a permanent magnet motor. This makes the motor smaller and lighter and more resistant to heat than starters with field coils since the resistance in the coils goes up with temperature.

2. I wanted to use planetary gear reduction because this eliminates the offset between the pinion gear and the motor. This means that the center of the motor is directly behind the center of the pinion gear, just like the stock non-gear reduced starter. Since most exhaust manifolds and headers were designed around stock starters, this increases the chance that the motor will clear the exhaust. In addition, planetary gear reduction makes it easier to increase the gear ratio (ours are 5 to 1 compared to 3.75 for Hitachi and 4.4 to 1 for Denso type starters).

3. I wanted to be able to rotate the solenoid to ANY position, not just a few like other starters. When I worked at Tilton it seemed like no matter how many hole patterns we put into the nose, someone needed the starter rotated to a position between those available. If the solenoid could be rotated to any position it would make installation easier, make it more likely to clear obstructions, and make it easier to keep it away from the heat of the exhaust (since the solenoid is the most heat sensitive part of the starter).

4. I wanted to be able to rotate the starter without taking the starter apart; if possible, without even removing the starter from the engine.

5. I wanted to be able to replace the pinion gear without taking the starter apart.

6. I wanted the starter to be modular so that converting a starter from one that fits say, a Chevy, to one that fits a Pontiac required only a simple nose change.

7. Lastly, I wanted to use an American designed starter as a basis for the design. The Japanese had better starter designs in the 70's and 80's; but today I think the American designs are as good if not better.

8. I wanted to have a starter that was like no other on the market.

It took many years and more than a few prototypes, but we now have a starter that meets all of my goals. That's not to say that we aren't always looking at ways to improve the design, but we are pretty happy with the way it turned out.

[BILTIT]

Im in (will be calling in the next few days), come on guys and gals, lets buy a superior starter and help out a fellow businessman!

[RobbMc]

We've done similar group purchases on other forums and the toughest part seems to be getting the first buyer. After that more people jump in.

So, the first forum member to buy a starter for this group purchase will receive an instant $5 rebate check and a free t-shirt in the box with the starter (in addition to the standard rebate).

Also, there are a few forum members who are already using our starter. Any of them who post some feedback about the starter and email me with name and address (so I can verify the purchase), I will send them $5 and a t-shirt as well.

[oldblueponcho]

I'm in too. I'll be contacting you in the next day or so myself.

[70 lucerne lemans]

I just bought one,do I get a t-shirt? XL please !

[RobbMc]

Originally Posted by 70 lucerne lemans

I just bought one,do I get a t-shirt? XL please !

70 lucerne lemans is the first to make a purchase. The starter, t-shirt and $5 instant rebate will be shipped Monday. Thank you.

The rebate level is now at 1%.

[70 lucerne lemans]

cool deal!allright guys pony up,I know there are 25 people that need a new starter or are having hot start problems.

[glhs#116]

Don't worry, guys. I've appointed myself in charge of the hot weather testing on this one. Haven't had it on long enough to come to a conclusion but I will say this:

It's much nicer to work with being plenty lighter than stock

It's much easier to hook up the wires with the solenoid on bottom

Order the shorter gear with it. I needed it for my stock setup

No hot start failures yet...

Oh, and ignore the directions about shims. It says to first try as few as possible. I say your first attempt should be with the same shim load that you were using with your GM starter. I tried one less and siezed the starter. Correct amount ended up being same shim load as with the GM.

Still learning to trust being able to start the car...

Sam

P.S. I'm a "Large"

[rob6773]

I'll order this week. Even have the wife in agreement because the GTO was almost a no-start last week when we had it out.

[steve]

I WON !!! it only took about 2.5hrs to get this old pig past my header....there is no way it is going back in.....!!! now to scrape the $$$ for my mini starter !

[RobbMc]

Givindabird has purchased a starter.

Rebate level at 2%.

[straycat]

time was short just before norwalk but robb went the extra mile to get me a starter so i could make it. a miniature version of a stocker is how i describe the starter. works great in my 62 catalina NEXT to the sd exhaust manifold, never a hot start problem, 360 degree mounting a plus. thanks again rob.

[RobbMc]

Thanks Straycat. Good to hear it fit (we hadn't actually tried it with SD manifolds) and is working well for you.

I had the wrong phone number for RobbMc in my original post at the top. I have corrected the phone number. (Thanks Bob). BTW Bob, if you miss us again on the phone, leave your number and we'll call you back on our dime.

Matador-IV has purchased a starter.

Rebate level at 3%.