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Oh, and for the record, the cheering had nothing to do with Jr. Nation - it was the right response from the regular Joe's at the track & me in my family room to an incident that was long in coming. If it had been the 2 car out in front of Kenseth the response would have been the same. They are both good drivers with good equipment and aggressive to a fault.
Yes there is a code in the garage, step over it or disregard it and you will get hit. It may not be this week, it may not be next but somebody is going to unload on you.
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Some guys they just give up living And start dying little by little, piece by piece, Some guys come home from work and wash up, And go racin' in the street. Bruce Springsteen - Racing In The Street - 1978 |
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Although there are "teams", stock car racing is not a "team" sport. The Championship deserves to go to the driver that has the best season. Yet the Chase format allows a driver that is in 30th place in the standings into the Chase if they manage to win a race. Last year, Kyle Larson had 8 Top 5's and 17 Top 10's and wasn't allowed to compete in the Chase because he didn't have a win. Meanwhile, AJ Allmendinger had 2 Top 5's and 5 Top 10's and gets in the Chase because he won a race. Which driver had the better season? It's no longer necessary to make all the races to win the Championship. The Busch brothers both missed races - Kurt 3 races due to suspension and Kyle 11 races because he broke his leg in a non Cup race. Under the original Championship format - using today's points system - Joey Logano would be in first place in the points. Under the Chase format - this incredible season (6 wins, 20 Top 5's and 26 Top 10's) could end up going for naught as he is in 8th place and unless he wins one of the next 2 races will most likely be eliminated. #2 under the classic Championship format would be Kevin Harvick with 3 wins, 20 Top 5's and 25 Top 10's. The current point leader is Jeff Gordon with 1 win, 5 Top 5's and 18 Top 10's. And he is the only Chaser currently guaranteed to have the opportunity to race for the Championship at Homestead. Here is how the standings would look: 1) #22-Joey Logano (C8), 1213 2) #4-Kevin Harvick (C4), 1192 -21 3) #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr. (EC), 1109 -104 4) #2-Brad Keselowski (C6), 1094 -119 5) #78-Martin Truex Jr. (C3), 1065 -148 6) #11-Denny Hamlin (EC), 1041 -172 7) #48-Jimmie Johnson (EC), 1033 -180 8) #20-Matt Kenseth (EC), 1009 -204 9) #19-Carl Edwards (C5), 1003 -210 10) #41-Kurt Busch (C7), 998 -215 11) #24-Jeff Gordon (C1), 997 -216 12) #31-Ryan Newman (EC), 969 -244 13) #1-Jamie McMurray (EC), 958 -255 14) #27-Paul Menard (EC), 887 -326 15) #43-Aric Almirola, 877 -336 16) #5-Kasey Kahne, 872 -341 17) #15-Clint Bowyer (EC), 840 -373 18) #42-Kyle Larson, 802 -411 19) #16-Greg Biffle, 796 -417 20) #3-Austin Dillon, 745 -468 21) #18-Kyle Busch (C2), 738 -475 22) #13-Casey Mears, 712 -501 23) #47-AJ Allmendinger, 687 -526 24) #17-Ricky Stenhouse, Jr., 664 -549 25) #14-Tony Stewart, 661 -552 26) #9-Sam Hornish, Jr., 657 -556 27)#10-Danica Patrick, 640 -573 This should be a two person race for the Championship (IMHO). Joey should be in the catbird seat with three races to go and Harvick the only driver with a good opportunity to catch him. Dale Jr. and Brad might have a slim chance if both Kevin and Joey have problems. Everybody else would be mathematically eliminated. But in contrast, Kyle Busch who has had the 21st best season, is in second place right now... |
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After more than 20 years, and watching or going to nearly every race in that span, I have just stopped being a fan of NASCAR. For Matt to be penalized and Harvick to get away with what he did, the message is clear, NASCAR plays favorites and has variable rules depending who is the alleged criminal and who is the victim. Admittedly, I purposely did not watch the Martinsville race, so I don't know what was going on at the time of the crash.
There seems to be something against Kenseth. After he won his championship, NASCAR changed the points system. His winning quietly did not fit their mold. They eventually came up with this ridiculous format that awards inconsistency. As has been said throughout this thread, drivers who have had great seasons statistically did not make the chase. While drivers who might win one road course race, and being back markers at others, do make the chase. From the many fans I have spoken with through this decline, most have the listed the following reasons for giving up on the sport. 1. Debris cautions! 2. Race control controlling the outcome of the race. 3. Chase format. 4. Debris cautions. 2x 5. Inconsistent application of rules. 6. Cookie cutter cars; no brand identity. 7. Drivers aren't allowed to speak their mind without getting penalized. I'd like to see other's list as to what is killing the sport. The last race I purposely did not watch was in 2001 when Bobby Hamilton won at Talledega. Fox had put the race on tape delay because of a Yankee game! |
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Danica attempted to take out Gilliland INTENTIONALLY - not once but twice. If she would have been successful, it would have taken Gilliland out of the race and caused him to finish much worse than the 24th that he did (Danica did take her self out and finished 40th). So incompetence in the art of taking a driver out is rewarded with allowing the Princess to race the next two weekends while Kenseth is parked. Of course, Brian's own words say that the mere attempt is enough to cross the line. Hypocrisy at it's best... |
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The constant mention of their sponsors during post-race interviews is getting out of hand.
Oh, and the drinks they take when they get out of the car. They get paid each time they are seen on camera drinking their sponsor's brand. Where else do you see interviews that always begin with the athlete taking a drink of soda? It's completely staged and getting ridiculous. |
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Gentlemen!I with our elected officials had a uniform like a NASCAR driver so we know who is paying for them!Tom
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I have a feeling some would run out of space.
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My driver drinks Budweiser.
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Cuz68 Last edited by cuz68; 11-06-2015 at 02:58 AM. |
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I want the old rules on the books to make it work again. If your car is a Pontiac it better have a Pontiac engine in it, if it's a Chevy you have to run a chevy engine. If they don't make a real wheel drive car Tough Sh!t you don't race. That will bring back real cars not these eggs on wheels with the front wheels doing the work of what should be the rear wheels job. Plus the cars shouldn't all fit into that stupid ass mold of the cars that run today. If it's not made it's not run,,,, Period.....
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Forget it, It will never be like that again.
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Like he says, that is never going to happen in NASCAR. The equity of having the same shape body and being able to keep the power of all engines within a few HP, never lets the lead car finish 11 laps ahead of second place, as in the "GOOD OLE DAYS" NASCAR is devoted more to showcasing driver talent, merchandising sponsors, and keeping the playing field level, than it is to promoting car brands in this day. Even though the manufacturers spend a big chunk of money on race programs the trickle down effect from race innovation to production line cars is very minimal any longer. Cup holder innovation isn't coming from NASCAR. The cars in the horsepower wars today, aren't raced in the cup series so watching a ford win on Sunday doesn't equate to someone buying a new Shelby/5000/whiz bang/Bullit mustang on Monday because they saw it on TV. The amount of deception that was going on in the 60s by people like Smokey Yunick, Hollman Moody, etc., the cars looked like they were stock, they were heavily modified for competition by means of cheating so the deception of stock cars was taking place then as well. It was just less noticeable from the fan side. It ain't never going to be the same as it was in the 60s, even though stock wasn't stock back then either. Another thing that has changed is BIG Bill France died and his son was at the helm, things changed some. When Brian France comes along things change more. As the management changes, the world changes, things in NASCAR must evolve too. Natural evolution. Also the car culture has changed a ton since the sixties. Todays young adults look at their cars the same as they do their refrigerator or their washer and dryer, appliances. People can't work on their own cars as much as they did in the 60s because of the complexity, and they just plain don't have the desire to. OMG, how did you get so much grease/dirt under your fingernails!!!!! I pay someone to work on my car, don't you have enough money to pay someone to work on yours? Watching racing has much more competition now in the electronics age. People would rather be on Facebook talking about themselves and spreading gossip than sitting at a race track, or devoting 3-4 hours of watching a cup race on TV. Heck people don't even read books any longer. The younger generation can't do a math problem without a calculator. Spelling and comprehension is mirrored in the tests the gov't puts so much stock in, and we all know how low the scores are on those tests are because it's on the news seems like everyday. When you live in the past, you will get left in the dust. If there is something that's good, just leave it up to a human being to screw it up. It's a wonder we've survived as long as we have.
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Brad Yost 1973 T/A (SOLD) 2005 GTO 1984 Grand Prix 100% Pontiacs in my driveway!!! What's in your driveway? If you don't take some of the RACETRACK home with you, Ya got cheated Last edited by Sirrotica; 11-06-2015 at 09:14 AM. |
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NASCAR has become a liberal sport.
The drivers are all wienies now compared to the old days.
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If you cant drive from gas pump to gas pump across the map, its not a street car. http://s207.photobucket.com/albums/b...hop/?start=100 Last edited by Region Warrior; 11-06-2015 at 11:42 AM. |
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DITTOS!!
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Just as they wished, I'll be watching Sunday.
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Some guys they just give up living And start dying little by little, piece by piece, Some guys come home from work and wash up, And go racin' in the street. Bruce Springsteen - Racing In The Street - 1978 |
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Can't even make this stuff up
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Looks good to me, Chief Gordon. And one of his rainbow warriors.
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all this talk about rules, sponsors, cars, etc. mean nothing to me. i gave up on nascar just this year for the ONE simple reason that i do not get either Fox Sports 1 or NBC sports channel so i couldnt watch any of the races the second half of the season even if i wanted to. (ok maybe 2 or 3 on regular network). i figure if they don't want me to see them on my basic cable package they can just go F themselves. So the entire blame to me is on the Big Toe for signing with those networks. gives me more time to mow my lawn anyway.
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Naw all that cheering wasn't from Jr fans, yeah right. |
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