[Dragncar]

The Warp head was designed after some Ford or Chevy head. Its a great head and all, sort of a Pontiac. It does not bother me, its fine if that is what they want to do. Much better than a Chevy under the hood.
Its just not my cup a tea and I am not the only one. Lots of us feel that way. I have great interest in the highest HP out of a Pontiac engine like this. And all out Pontiac NA power too.
The difference between Pontiac style heads, RAIV based and RAV based vs the all out canted valve race head is a interesting subject. What is it ? Boosted, NA ?

There are a few high dollar builds going on where the people building them wanted to do a PMD style head vs all out canted style because getting the respect doing it that way meant something to them. So its a "thing"
I am all for they guys that want to can,t the valves , move the bores around or stretch the block if thats what they want to do. Putting us in a box limits the Pontiac race hobby. I have always wondered how a simple stretched Pontiac would do with a big long Tiger/Edelbrock style head. Even if it had a Ford or Chevy crank in it.

[cgeise]

I guess another interesting point of conversation would be -- at what boost did that "3000" hp happen --- ie; you put enough boost to anything and it makes a lot of power,

[J.C.you]

By the sound of the engine on the dyno I'm going to guess 9k rpm

[crazycarlo]

The guy that did the wiring on that car lives here innhrbSame town.’I saw pictures on his FB page. Gorgeous car!

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by cgeise

I guess another interesting point of conversation would be -- at what boost did that "3000" hp happen --- ie; you put enough boost to anything and it makes a lot of power,

Tell that to Chief and the Butlers!
I’m just glad someone put a good set of heads under a twin turbo set-up!

GTO George

[Dragncar]

Well,some of you guys who know a lot about big power boosted engine of all brands. The guys who are running 3500HP engines like this, 14/71, twin turbos. How many of those blocks have exposed main caps,waving in the wind sort of deal. The Hemi guys don,t. I would think there are aftermarket BBC blocks with Hemi/ LS mains.
At 3000+ HP there would be at least a little cap walk/fretting. If KREs iron block engines have some of it at 2000HP I doubt just being made of billet aluminum solves the issue. Iron is very stiff, until it lets go. I don't think there is any way around at least a small amount of it.
But it might not be a huge issue if you stay on top of maintenance. Maybe the billet aluminum dampens things.
We are all going to find out. Its new territory.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Well,some of you guys who know a lot about big power boosted engine of all brands. The guys who are running 3500HP engines like this, 14/71, twin turbos. How many of those blocks have exposed main caps,waving in the wind sort of deal. The Hemi guys don,t. I would think there are aftermarket BBC blocks with Hemi/ LS mains.
At 3000+ HP there would be at least a little cap walk/fretting. If KREs iron block engines have some of it at 2000HP I doubt just being made of billet aluminum solves the issue. Iron is very stiff, until it lets go. I don't think there is any way around at least a small amount of it.
But it might not be a huge issue if you stay on top of maintenance. Maybe the billet aluminum dampens things.
We are all going to find out. Its new territory.

You sure talk about skirted blocks a lot.

[Sirrotica]

Boss Bird doesn't have a skirted block...…….

It sees more abuse just from the type of fuel used than any alcohol fuel turbo car.

[69Goat1]

I don’t know if some of you guys aren’t aware but those 481X’s and Hemis chief is putting on the trailer on the street also make a lot more HP than the crow does...it simply doesn’t matter on the street...

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by 69Goat1

I don’t know if some of you guys aren’t aware but those 481X’s and Hemis chief is putting on the trailer on the street also make a lot more HP than the crow does...it simply doesn’t matter on the street...

Did you ever ask yourself why Chief isn’t running no prep....almost everyone else is.....hmmmm!


GTO George

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by slowbird

You sure talk about skirted blocks a lot.

Yes I do. I want to see one on a huge engine and see just how hard you can push one.
I just remember all the years of hearing about guys blasting their cranks out the bottom with stock blocks.
Don,t like hearing how "bulletproof" those LS blocks are either.
Hey, Jeff K told me about the fretting. So they all must do it a little.
The AP solid block sure has proven tough though.

[taff2]

A skirted block- cross bolted would be the best way to go without a doubt, think New Century blocks like the BBC's have. A reasonable alternative would be a clamshell cross bolted girdle set up on an IA2 or KRE block - one that could also be fitted to a stock block, I can't imagine that it would be difficult to get one of these cast up at reasonable money. Cap walk and fretting would be a thing of the past. JMO.

[Elarson]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Yes I do. I want to see one on a huge engine and see just how hard you can push one.
I just remember all the years of hearing about guys blasting their cranks out the bottom with stock blocks.
Don,t like hearing how "bulletproof" those LS blocks are either.
Hey, Jeff K told me about the fretting. So they all must do it a little.
The AP solid block sure has proven tough though.

You'll see a skirted billet Pontiac block when Steve Dale gets his funny car back out.

Eric

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by 69Goat1

I don’t know if some of you guys aren’t aware but those 481X’s and Hemis chief is putting on the trailer on the street also make a lot more HP than the crow does...it simply doesn’t matter on the street...

There are people on this board that don't seem to grasp this. And think Chief's stuff is as good or better than those 481x engines.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Yes I do. I want to see one on a huge engine and see just how hard you can push one.
I just remember all the years of hearing about guys blasting their cranks out the bottom with stock blocks.
Don,t like hearing how "bulletproof" those LS blocks are either.
Hey, Jeff K told me about the fretting. So they all must do it a little.
The AP solid block sure has proven tough though.

How many cranks have been ran over lately?
I agree it's an nice thing but at this point i don't see it limiting any ones performance on the track.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by slowbird

How many cranks have been ran over lately?
I agree it's an nice thing but at this point i don't see it limiting any ones performance on the track.

DITTO!


GTO George

[ponjohn]

Originally Posted by Elarson

You'll see a skirted billet Pontiac block when Steve Dale gets his funny car back out.

Eric

What about a bolt on skirt with matching main caps?

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by slowbird

There are people on this board that don't seem to grasp this. And think Chief's stuff is as good or better than those 481x engines.

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

DITTO!


GTO George

I don't think many guys on this website feel that Edelbrock heads are better than 481X heads .... They're just aware that the Eheads have accomplished a chit ton more than the guys that are knocking the E-heads.

EHTTFMF's!!!

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Did you ever ask yourself why GTO George isn’t running no prep....almost everyone else is.....hmmmm!


GTO George

Yes I have ask myself this question.

Stan

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

I don't think many guys on this website feel that Edelbrock heads are better than 481X heads .... They're just aware that the Eheads have accomplished a chit ton more than the guys that are knocking the E-heads.

EHTTFMF's!!!

Paul,
You know anyone using GTO George's favorite band has to be the best / most excellent.

Stan