[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by mgarblik

At the March Meet in Bakersfield last year, the #1 qualifier ran 5.632@ 249.90
Of the 16 qualified cars, 11 had engines listed. 7 were BAE Hemi, 3 were AJPE Hemi, and 1 KB Hemi. 5 had no engine type listed. So at least 10 of the 11 were billet block engines. The KB could have been a casting, possibly. Boss Bird's 5.87 ET would have put it 15th. There were 21 entries. Record of 5.52 @ 263 MPH sounds reasonable. Minimum weight is 2250 lbs. Getting 250 lbs out of our car would have been fantastic.

Actually the car I was looking at weighed a tad over 2,300 lbs if i read correctly.
Professional stuff as opposed to back yard stuff like you and KRE run........big difference! Money talks!


GTO George

[misterp266]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Professional stuff as opposed to back yard stuff like you and KRE run........big difference! Money talks!


GTO George

REALLY? Why do you post? You add nothing.

Two pics from Milan, MI
The green car ran 5.22 @ 281

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by misterp266

REALLY? Why do you post? You add nothing.

What's wrong with what i said? explain. I'm comparing a BIG BUCK Pro racing team to a KRE or Boss Bird..... a car with a Bigger budget will go quicker hence the 5.52 et for the Nostalgia nitro FC record as opposed to a team that is on a budget. If the Boss Bird had no Budget ill bet they would go a lot quicker! So take a chill pill.


GTO George

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by misterp266

REALLY? Why do you post? You add nothing.

Two pics from Milan, MI
The green car ran 5.22 @ 281

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GTO George

[GTOGEORGE]

If they were at Milan they probably didn't have any rules to follow! LOL!


GTO George

[Tom Vaught]

What's wrong with what i said? explain.


The correct wording should have been, "Professional Team stuff with an unlimited budgets as opposed to Teams
that have to work within their budget limits.

"back yard stuff like you and KRE run" is an insult to both teams. But a typical post from you. Understand now?? Probably not.

Tom V.

If their stuff is backyard stuff, your program is a garbage can stuff using your thought process, George.
You are at least three levels below KRE and the Boss Bird guys

[GTOGEORGE]

I said it correctly , it’s just a figure of speech…….stop trolling.
If you know me you know what I mean….heck I call my car a junk half the time but it has best parts on it.
People like you just wanna start ****. I love all Pontiacs and brag on them all and I am proud on them. You cut me I bleed Pontiacs. Boss Bird and Butler, DCI and KRE, AllPontiac are all great but they are no John Force….. but who is, it’s all a money thing! Get over it.


GTO George

[opeliac]

I understand what you meant George, but, I can also see how it looked to others that you typically argue with...

I think your explanation should end the issue and we can get back to discussing skirted blocks verses non skirted blocks...

[GTOGEORGE]

Like I said earlier I will be going to KRE this Friday or next (weather permitting) and Ill take some pics (if possible) and talk to them about the block. Way too many people guessing in this thread.


GTO George

[Tom Vaught]

Skirted Blocks have been the norm on high HP designs since the early 60s, (the 426 Hemi, the Single Overhead Cam 427 Ford). Lots of Mac's stuff was assuming skirted blocks based on what he told me when he was alive. RIP Mac.

The 427 Ford Blocks were were designed to still be alive after 48 hours of racing (Le Mans) program. Same deal with the NASCAR 426 Hemi Blocks.

But it it really needed at the HP levels that 99.999 of the owners run at. NO.

Would it be a good idea to have a skirted block on a 7 mile Salt Flats run? For sure.
Same deal if you had a Pontiac engine running in a "River Rat" fishing craft to be unique, but there are better alternatives.

Herb Adams had an Aluminum Oil Pan that somewhat acted like a Skirted Block with keeping the crankcase side was better supported. Pan is a heavy sucker. As was posted the BAE Blocks and the Noonan Blocks are far superior. I give KRE a ton of credit for doing a Billet Block.

Tom V.

Marty will be running a $$$,$$$ Noonan Block in his New Car.
https://noonanrace.com/pages/4-9-bor...engine-package

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Skirted Blocks have been the norm on high HP designs since the early 60s, (the 426 Hemi, the Single Overhead Cam 427 Ford). Lots of Mac's stuff was assuming skirted blocks based on what he told me when he was alive. RIP Mac.

The 427 Ford Blocks were were designed to still be alive after 48 hours of racing (Le Mans) program. Same deal with the NASCAR 426 Hemi Blocks.

But it it really needed at the HP levels that 99.999 of the owners run at. NO.

Would it be a good idea to have a skirted block on a 7 mile Salt Flats run? For sure.
Same deal if you had a Pontiac engine running in a "River Rat" fishing craft to be unique, but there are better alternatives.

Herb Adams had an Aluminum Oil Pan that somewhat acted like a Skirted Block with keeping the crankcase side was better supported. Pan is a heavy sucker. As was posted the BAE Blocks and the Noonan Blocks are far superior. I give KRE a ton of credit for doing a Billet Block.

Tom V.

Marty will be running a $$$,$$$ Noonan Block in his New Car.
https://noonanrace.com/pages/4-9-bor...engine-package

What i understand is the Ford 427 block was junk couldn't hold up to the Nitro stuff that's why the funny cars and dragsters switch to the Boss 429....FYI!


GTO George

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Like I said earlier I will be going to KRE this Friday or next (weather permitting) and Ill take some pics (if possible) and talk to them about the block. Way too many people guessing in this thread.


GTO George

When you see Jeff tell him EHTTFMF!!!

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

When you see Jeff tell him EHTTFMF!!!

Will do!


GTO George

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

What i understand is the Ford 427 block was junk couldn't hold up to the Nitro stuff that's why the funny cars and dragsters switch to the Boss 429....FYI!
GTO George

Yawn, A steel worker telling a Ford Engineer Ford Engine capabilities.
That is some funny chit. I saw over 30 complete 429 Boss engines in
Bob Gliddens shop the last time I was down there.

How many have you actually worked on? One sat 10 feet from my desk.
Understand vs KNOW?????

Tom V.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Yawn, A steel worker telling a Ford Engineer Ford Engine capabilities.
That is some funny chit. I saw over 30 complete 429 Boss engines in
Bob Gliddens shop the last time I was down there.

How many have you actually worked on? One sat 10 feet from my desk.
Understand vs KNOW?????

Tom V.

Heard it from very reliable people….not my fault if you don’t like it! It’s a fact.


GTO George

[misterp266]

Since Kauffman already makes a billet block, there must be some reasonable changes to warrant another version without adding a skirt. They haven’t updated anything since the post I grabbed the photos from. I would think if you’re looking to sell a five figure block, you might tell people why it’s worth it.

George will get all the facts soon. . . . .

[GTOGEORGE]

I’m dropping my block off so I’ll ask a few questions if possible.


GTO George

[hurryinhoosier62]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

What i understand is the Ford 427 block was junk couldn't hold up to the Nitro stuff that's why the funny cars and dragsters switch to the Boss 429....FYI!


GTO George

George, you have that backwards: the Ford teams were forced to run the Boss 429s ( which had many problems running nitro) instead of tried and true SOHC 427. “Ohio George” Montgomery was still running “SOCK” engines until 1971. Kalitta, Snake and the Hawaiian were running “SOCK” engines through the 1970 season.

[misterp266]

Yup . . . .

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by hurryinhoosier62

George, you have that backwards: the Ford teams were forced to run the Boss 429s ( which had many problems running nitro) instead of tried and true SOHC 427. “Ohio George” Montgomery was still running “SOCK” engines until 1971. Kalitta, Snake and the Hawaiian were running “SOCK” engines through the 1970 season.

No I’m correct, when the hp level in the nitro engines got over 1,500-1,600 hp level the block started to break that would be around 1970.


GTO George