[Jim Zeek]

Price for full race Super Chiefs from KRE is $5200.00 ported to 400 to 405 cfm.

[Gach]

I'll grant you, those price's sound good, on that big block chevy, but I'd never run one. Those who have the bucks to build a big cube motor god bless them. Sure it's more money to run a Pontiac motor making close to the same hp as the BBC boys, and that's the first thing they say, when you tell them, were making as much if not more power then them. Most guys do what they can afford, and are satisfy, knowing what they really want is out of there reach. After all, those who have the
bucks have bragging rights, and it's always been that way. I look at my Chevy buddy, who's making over 900 hp, but he's also got over 18,000.00 in that motor, probably more like 20,000.00 grand. At least now he knows, that it's a fact, that I can make the same power, if I wanted too, so what if I have to use nitrous to do it, he's using a blower, it would take him a week to get ready, changing gears, turning up the blower, if we were to go head to head, I won't have to do that, with the nitrous set up, maybe at the most I'd have to buy is some Cam ll.

[Brian Baker]

Jeez, "Hudson Hornet"??? Man, how long did you have to scratch your noggin to come up with that referrence?

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Which personality is talking now?

[Scott Misus]

Not long. Ask your old man which brand was the one to beat in the late 40's.

[zedo]

"Fabulous Hudson Hornet"

[Ken K]

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[jim brady]

Howard Cunningham drove a Desoto in Happy Days.

[jim brady]

Gach, you have come to your senses. I have a freind who races Super comp with a 555 chevy. I was talking to him last night and he just got his monster back from Stinnent autmotive from being freshened. the bill was just slightly over 4500.00.He didnt change anything just a basic rebuild. Last year he could run about 7.60 flat out. We consistently ran 7.80's with a 462 that we ran over 200 runs with nothing but valve adjustment. He put bearings in twice and said he only had 189 runs last year. Hey yes parts are avalable and the are easy to build but are they that cheap? I don't think so. Give all these guys like Butler , Fulper, Kauffman, Nunzi, and the rest of these guy a break. If it were not for them we wouldn't be where we are today. Jim Brady

[Half-Inch Stud]

I've found more than 20 big Pontiacs for every Big Chevy motor in my boneyard travels.
There was a time that a 455 could be put together for about $600 and run 12s in the GTO body. I trust there has never been a time that a Big chevy could be so readily found for $600 and be in the 12s for the Chevelle. Those folks needed the 4.10 gears or greater, to get the times.

I used to hear alot of griping about how big Chevies wore main bearings and cracked-up the main block saddles or ate head gaskets. Sure these problems have been solved throught the opportunistic aftermarket. And sure the Big Chevy engine builder needs to start with more expensive scratch to make that motor stay together.

All I ever liked about the bid chevy was the ports and head flow. All else about it is statement of poor design work allowed to go into production. Just like the older small block is riddled with design faults.

Meanwhile back in Poncho land, the motor is a visual example of refined design layout.

Seems that the "mostly stock" look is a realistic goal. Sooo, good rods, good Headflow, and a smart combo bring the Ponchos up to task for 10 second runs with lower RPMs, with what I suspect is a lower budget.

Not the first time a product was discontinued because it was more expensive to produce [ than the sloppy chevy V8s ] .

[Half-Inch Stud]

Merlin is the name used on a Rolls Royce Aircraft engine during the WWII.

Doesn't sound right to hear of a steroided big Chevy layout to be named Merlin.

I suggest a different name would be fair..like monster Bus motor, or monster mud mover, or Monster towtruck motor.

[Scott Misus]

Jim:

This is not a dig, but I would submit that your friend has higher maintenance costs because he's making more horsepower than you are.

However, the times between yourself and your friend are pretty close, obviously giving the nod to YOUR choice of powerplant. Are the weights of yours and your friend's cars the same?

[Ron]

This weekend is a two day event for Pontiac Drag Days in Southern California. On Sunday the Hudson Car Club will be at Los Angeles County Raceway. Eat your hearts out.

BTW, weather predicted for this weekend is high 70's, clear and sunshine.

Ron

[jim brady]

Scott , our car weighs 1780lbs with driver, Dans weigh 1760. the cars are very simmaler, Ours was built by Neil and Parks and Dans by Fritz I beleive. He does run a domminator on alchol and we run a ron,s injector ,but I don't think their is that much difference. His motor dynoed at around 970hp.I do think they just take more maintance because they turn them tighter, run a deeper gear and use a looser convertor, but it is amazing that a 462 will run that close to them. I really think are new Indian Adventures 505 will be right their with them, and truly it doesn't cost as much. The winners seem to be mostly chevy powered because of sure numbers. Their are thousands of chevy powered Super Comp cars out their and how many Pontiac powered. Jim Brady

[Dick Duclow]

AH, Gach, good to see you back! God how I've missed you.
Glad our ads "crack you up".

Say, when are you coming up to see our operation?? Free lunch not enough?

Ken French, just to name someone you're familiar with, broke four (4) blocks over a two year period. Two of them were SD blocks. He's happy with our product. Over 100 sold, and no one has asked for their $$$$$$$$ back. The only person crying lives in RI and doesn't own a block?????? Strange.

Oh, and for the record the west coast guru has never attempted to buy anything from us, but that didn't stop him from saying we wouldn't sell him. Say what???

Gach, we won't make Chevy HP until we have better heads. We won't be able to do it for $6.49. The average Pontiac enthusiast knows they have an uphill battle and is willing to fight the good fight. Buy the Merlin Crate Motor. Go Fast. Save Money. Be a hero. They same old song & dance is getting stale.

The invite still stands, by the way.

[Scott Misus]

Ouch!

[Ken K]

Kaboom!

[Ken K]

Zap!

[Gach]

Dick, I'm glad you bought up the question weather or not I'd buy one of your blocks. Do you mean
one of these blocks,

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The deck was off .010 from end to end,

You couldn't put a bearing in one of the main saddles, there was no place for the
bearing tab

The hole for the clutch linkage goes right into the water jacket

The distributor hold down notch was not there at all

There was almost no thrust bearing saddle in the block main (had to be machined in)

Lifter bore area had to be machined so the roller lifter bars didn't hit it.

The hole for the oil pump drive shaft had to be elongated so the drive shaft would fit.

NO WAY!!, Sounds like this guy had to pay just to get the block so it was useable.Your turn Dick, if you want I can post the others. See I'm like everyone else I don't want to pay 3500.00 for a block, and then turn around, after waiting 4-5 months for a block, and have to pay some one another grand to make the block right. Is this what you want me to waste my time looking at. The only way I'll lay my hard earn dollar's down, for one of your blocks is, if I can hand pick it, and it makes a trip to the machaine shop, to be check first. I want to make sure I'm not getting one of those ones that has been return, hey got any of those left that's been welded up, or did you re-sell that one too.

[KO]

Hey Dick, Neal is on his second season with his IA still with the same bore. Best ET 8.96 on a true 10.5" tire through the exhaust. He just ran some 9.0s at over 150 in full street trim at 3380#, DOT tires (10.5"), all steel except the hood, windows roll up and down,tagged insured and registered, this was at the Hot Rod Powerfest in Rockingham..car was weighed, fuel checked fully documented run. That calculates to over 900HP with Wenzler Stage II heads. We don't need no stinkin nitrous. I think Edelbrock makes some nice heads but they just can't make this kind of power. Nice work and special thanks to Larry Wenzler, Dick, KRE, SAM, the Butlers, Ron Rhoades, and others who have helped. We will have this engine available in crate form for $13,995.

[slowbird]

I thought there was a discuss about the oil pump drive a while back and Pontiac Dude set his up and said there was no problems. We should just be happy that there are parts made for the Pontiac!!!