[77 TRASHCAN]

Originally Posted by ta man

They only had that for a few years..I've ran the 6.0's for years and they never had that on my work vehicles..
Greta anyways is doing a LS swap into a Tesla...so much for saving the planet..

LMAO...Now the challenge will be disposing that battery(s).....

[pastry_chef]

Originally Posted by ta man

N turn key cruisers with a few faster builds..most aren't dialed in with the suspension.

Agree. 90% don't spend the time to run the power number on a timeslip.

[Scott65]

https://youtu.be/k0MsGNKW-1o
Link to to the 402 powered Camaro in my previous post.
Pretty impressive to me, considering how streetable it is.

[Formulajones]

There were plenty of fast LS builds when I was playing with them. Most all of them were in the 4th gen F-body platform. Had a couple of buddies that played with them all the time. One ran 11.40's and was just a stock 5.7 LS1 longblock with a cam swap, had a good Vigilante converter in the 4L60E and ran 3.42 gears out back. It was really nothing exotic at all.
My other buddy ran a 6.0 in his 4th gen with ported heads and a cam swap, and a crank making it a 402. His was also an automatic with 3.73's out back. His car ran 10.60's at 128 mph and he drove it on the street everywhere. Crazy how docile it was.
I knew of a couple others rowing a 6 speed into the 10's as well that were pretty cool. Back then the 6 speeds would break stuff occasionally (before the aftermarket magnum stuff got into swing) but really fun to watch.

Even at that time a 10 second street car that was all motor and driving around everywhere was pretty scarce in a classic car, the LS engines made it look easy.

Nowadays I don't see a lot of that going on. Those 4th gens are going on 20 years old now and the platforms that came after started getting pretty heavy.

[pastry_chef]

Originally Posted by Scott65

https://youtu.be/k0MsGNKW-1o
Link to to the 402 powered Camaro in my previous post.
Pretty impressive to me, considering how streetable it is.

x2

Again here.

A friend I work with has a 99 or 00 Camaro. Still has the original cathedral port LS1 heads, intake etc. As a retirement gift to himself he had a 402 built and used the aforementioned original (but ported) heads, intake etc. Made (N/A) 620hp on the dyno, is driven to the track and runs 10.20's @128+.

Ta Man is up to it.

The bottom line is what is a given platform capable of --- LS dominate here. You can't and won't beat someone 1/2 second faster! No contest... just a mauling.

[i82much]

my 6.0 2500 HD is slooooow even with 4.10 gears and a 6 speed auto ... musta gotten a bad one!

[Formulajones]

Originally Posted by i82much

my 6.0 2500 HD is slooooow even with 4.10 gears and a 6 speed auto ... musta gotten a bad one!

The factory tunes in those things are weak. Most of the trucks come with a timing table that are in the single digits, and a WOT air fuel ratio that is pig rich in PE mode, usually around 11 flat. It's all to keep the engine safe knowing what the trucks are put through.

When I dropped that 6.0 in my blazer, it came from a 2005 3/4 ton pickup. Only thing I did to it was a custom tune, basically removing all the emissions stuff not needed for the swap, and dialing in the timing and fuel curve. Otherwise it was a bone stocker, and that thing would boogy for a 5300 lbs 4X4 truck.

[pastry_chef]

Originally Posted by i82much

musta gotten a bad one!

lol

Heavy SUV.. 416 LS engine -- breaks 11's -- goes at 2:14 in the video.

Super smooth idle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGu3TZEqGKc

[i82much]

Originally Posted by Formulajones

The factory tunes in those things are weak. Most of the trucks come with a timing table that are in the single digits, and a WOT air fuel ratio that is pig rich in PE mode, usually around 11 flat. It's all to keep the engine safe knowing what the trucks are put through.

When I dropped that 6.0 in my blazer, it came from a 2005 3/4 ton pickup. Only thing I did to it was a custom tune, basically removing all the emissions stuff not needed for the swap, and dialing in the timing and fuel curve. Otherwise it was a bone stocker, and that thing would boogy for a 5300 lbs 4X4 truck.

that blazer sounds awesome.

ok, i think i got it figured out. i’m gonna pull the 6.0, snow tires, and mud flaps from my 2500HD and put them in/on my GTO, and pull the 505 out of the GTO and put it in the 2500HD.

Only question now is do I change the transmissions too? Not sure whether the muncie goes in the 2500HD or stays behind the 6.0.

This forum is awesome!

[Formulajones]

Originally Posted by i82much

that blazer sounds awesome.

ok, i think i got it figured out. i’m gonna pull the 6.0, snow tires, and mud flaps from my 2500HD and put them in/on my GTO, and pull the 505 out of the GTO and put it in the 2500HD.

Only question now is do I change the transmissions too? Not sure whether the muncie goes in the 2500HD or stays behind the 6.0.

This forum is awesome!

.........

[ta man]

Originally Posted by pastry_chef

x2

Again here.


Ta Man is up to it.

The bottom line is what is a given platform capable of --- LS dominate here. You can't and won't beat someone 1/2 second faster! No contest... just a mauling.

Yes but I want to see it first hand..they must frequent TMP if they are near Toronto?

[pastry_chef]

Youtube is sending me this stuff now.

416 LS - 608 HP @ 6200 RPM.. little 222 @ .050 cam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoqivsJrQis

Where is the traditional Pontiac V8 match?

Originally Posted by slowbird

So power wise in my opinion the LS has nothing on us.

I haven't looked at LS stuff in years.. just accept they make great power!

How many browse other forums? You know.. to see what goes on in the world.

[ta man]

Originally Posted by 77 TRASHCAN

LMAO...Now the challenge will be disposing that battery(s).....

She knows people.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by pastry_chef

Youtube is sending me this stuff now.

416 LS - 608 HP @ 6200 RPM.. little 222 @ .050 cam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoqivsJrQis

Where is the traditional Pontiac V8 match?



I haven't looked at LS stuff in years.. just accept they make great power!

How many browse other forums? You know.. to see what goes on in the world.

600hp from a 416 isn't that impressive.
You don't see many people building Pontiac that small (why on earth would they??). Also most Pontiac people settle for status quo instead of trying to do better (hence all the 068, OF cams and 290cfm kre d-port builds). But the potential is different there imo.

[72projectbird]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Your opinion is becoming more popular. A lot of folks don't know how to tune a carburetor.

I guess it's my age, but I've always gravitated towards fuel injection. That said, I can mess around with a carb and get it to run decent enough. Sometimes I just dont wanna lol

Originally Posted by pastry_chef

I haven't looked at LS stuff in years.. just accept they make great power!

How many browse other forums? You know.. to see what goes on in the world.

Some of the guys here would chit if they saw what some other brands are capable of. lol

I'm trying to get into the RB26 world, and dayum those guys are making some power!

[pastry_chef]

Originally Posted by slowbird

most Pontiac people settle for status quo instead of trying to do better (hence all the 068, OF cams and 290cfm kre d-port builds).

Totally agree, cookie cutter syndrome.

That is instantly obvious when looking other forums.. nearly every Ford, Chevy whatever engine is unique. Custom cams etc. No focus on one set LSA. lol

[slowbird]

6years ago or so Jake (BADDTA son) built a 434ci made 700+. I guarantee it would make more with 6yrs of development. It didn't have a big cam either.

[i82much]

Originally Posted by slowbird

600hp from a 416 isn't that impressive.
You don't see many people building Pontiac that small (why on earth would they??). Also most Pontiac people settle for status quo instead of trying to do better (hence all the 068, OF cams and 290cfm kre d-port builds). But the potential is different there imo.

what would you build to go fast for cheap in a Pontiac? I am thinking maybe a 4” stroke factory crank, northwind and an 850 double pumper, a solid flat like a 290b6. You can get decent aftermarket rods for cheap and the smaller stroke might help the block live at high RPM, but you still need good heads? 600 hp maybe Edelbrock round ports or speedmaster if you wanna roll the dice?

That’s a pretty snotty street engine but maybe it could hang. Or do the traditional 4.25 stroke in a 400 block, a bit more docile. But probably far rowdier than a 600 hp LS?

[pastry_chef]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Jake (BADDTA son) built a 434ci

705 hp @ 6900

Ceralli Edelbrock 65cc "Tiger Cub" cnc ported 348 cfm @ .800 lift
2.15/1.71 Manley Gen II stainless valves. 11.33:1 comp
Scott Brown roller cam. .769/.767 lift
https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...&postcount=120

LS still do better with less. much less cam, more streetable.

If you asked Bill C or Scott Brown,, I'd bet they would say 50 to 100 HP more using LS.

Here we are --
LS 408 - 769 HP N/A pump gas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tVC6pL4e8Q

At 2:35 if we pause the video.. dyno sheet actually has 791 HP @ 7200 to 7400 RPM. but yes 769 at 8400.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by pastry_chef

705 hp @ 6900

Ceralli Edelbrock 65cc "Tiger Cub" cnc ported 348 cfm @ .800 lift
2.15/1.71 Manley Gen II stainless valves. 11.33:1 comp
Scott Brown roller cam. .769/.767 lift
https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...&postcount=120

LS still do better with less. much less cam, more streetable.

If you asked Bill C or Scott Brown,, I'd bet they would say 50 to 100 HP more using LS.

Here we are --
LS 408 - 769 HP N/A pump gas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tVC6pL4e8Q

At 2:35 if we pause the video.. dyno sheet actually has 791 HP @ 7200 to 7400 RPM. but yes 769 at 8400.

Like i said it was 6yrs ago, i guarantee itd be way better today. Also zero reason for any Pontiac guy to build small ci engines, it's just stupid.
I've been to all the tracks around Chicago and yet to see a na ls street car stand out. You keep posting all these dyno results like their very common builds. Why are we seeing them at the tracks??