[Jack Peters]

Didn't want to hijack pic thread so decided to start a new one. I was under the impression from somewhere that there was no Tempest 2 dr ht only Tempest T-37 2 dr ht's.

From these pictures it appears there was both. Or was there. Those of you who have '70 Tempest/Tempest T-37 Hardtops could you post. For those of you who remember post also. Just trying to get a personal handle on them.

Pls don't post about '71's or include any GT-37's. Thx.

[6t7gto]

Jack, i have a magazine, some where, that tells the story of the t-37.
IIRC, it was introduced in midyear 1970.
a stripped down version of the tempest.
so, i would guess both models were available.
and the VIN was 33.
now, i gotta find that mag.
david

p.s. here's something...
http://www.gtoalley.com/seventy.html

seems they were all Tempest.
just different models of the Tempest.

[Jack Peters]

My main curiosity is, was there a Tempest 2 dr ht before the (Tempest) T-37?? Seems to be confilcting stories and just trying to see if it is fact or rumor. As you can see in the pics above both seem to be available.

If you find the story either post or e-mail as attachment to me, please. Thx.

[Held for Ransom]

Wasn't the Tempest a 23327 and a T-37 a 23337 style?

[ambmech1]

the vin on mine is 23337 built 4/70 sold 9/70. I have not gotten the PHS on it yet but I do have the original sales invoice stating Tempest only. Also nowhere on the front fenders do I see where the t-37 would have been. The car has been repainted so they could have been filled in. Or were they stuck-on? My car originally came with A/C, hidden wipers, am radio, carpet, 350/TH350

[UPC-WU2]

I believe that for 1970, the Tempest emblems on the fenders were diecast nameplates, and the T-37/ GT-37 emblems were decals. Here's a scan of the molding and trim manual.

[UPC-WU2]

And here's a scan of the glossy press-release artwork from PMD.

[Jack Peters]

ambmech1, any idea when your Tempest was mfg? I know I was in a discussion on cp about this and someone there was stating that the Tempest was not a 2 dr ht until the T-37 came out.

Re decal, the first picture indicates that those are not decals but pin type emblems and that owner states that is original paint. Maybe he can check his car and see for us and post??????

HFR: 27 means Post and 37 is HT regardless of series.

[ambmech1]

Jack, car was manufactured 4/70. Now you have me wondering whether or not it is truly a T-37. If anyone else could pipe in with some more info. Other than the badging on the ft. fenders were there any otherways of telling?

[Jack Peters]

ambmech1,

I should be on the msrp from PHS. The T-37 emblems are the same for '70/'71 as well as the GT-37. That is until the 71 1/2 when the sword stripe replaced the eyebrow stripes. Trunk lid emblem remained the same through out.

[6t7gto]

Jack,
update on the magazine.
it was given to me by a friend at the track in the fall.
unfortunately, i was staying at the campgrounds we go to near the track.
annnnnnnd, the mag is in the bathroom at our trailer.
(do my best thinking there).
i won't be able to get the mag until May.
sorry,
david

p.s.remind me in May

[6t7gto]

Jack, would it be possible the t-37 in the first pic is from a later year, that someone added?
david

and as far as my car. previous owner added the gto front end.
passenger fender has two holes in it where i guess the TEMPEST badge would have been. driver's side has no holes.
i don't have any t-37 or tempest badges on my car.

[6t7gto]

Jack,
here's the info on my data plate. car is in an enclosed trailer and my son had a little trouble reading it.
st7023337 pon 121971bdy
tr279 5050 pnt
02d

so, i guess:
made in pontiac, mi.
trim 279...can't find it
5050 pnt: sierra yellow w/ sierra yellow top
02d: feb.1970 4th week

mid-year car, right?

[johnta1]

I have probably read the same magazine article as 6t7gto.
I seem to remember the Tempest being first, then late in the model year the made the T37, basically a pre-cursor for the 72 T-37 and GT-37.

[Held for Ransom]

Oops, don't really know what I was thinking when I posted. Was the T-37 an option that someone can pick up from this build sheet (Y80 option?)? It had no T-37 identifiers on the fenders.

[b-man]

Originally Posted by Jack Peters

ambmech1, any idea when your Tempest was mfg? I know I was in a discussion on cp about this and someone there was stating that the Tempest was not a 2 dr ht until the T-37 came out.

Re decal, the first picture indicates that those are not decals but pin type emblems and that owner states that is original paint. Maybe he can check his car and see for us and post??????

HFR: 27 means Post and 37 is HT regardless of series.

That's my '70 in the first pic.

'Tempest' pin-type emblem.

'T-37' decal.

Original paint.

[Jack Peters]

B-MAN, Do you have any docs we could look at.

It was my initial understanding that the T-37 REPLACED the Tempest mid year somewhere. But as your car shows there are some that had both Tempest and T-37 on them. I am most concerned with 2 dr ht's not post cars. Someone, somewhere on a thread here or somewhere said that there was no Tempest 2 dr ht but only a T-37 2 dr ht and I am just trying to figure it out for myself.

I hope to hear from ALL Tempest and/or Tempest T-37 and/or T-37 2 dr ht owners.

[Judge Man]

I have a book called Standard Catalog Of Pontiac 1926-1995.It mentions that the Tempest is a 2dr HT and in Februrary 1970 the T-37 2dr ht coupe was introduced.It says for both cars that the body style number is 23337.It does'nt mention that the T-37 or the Tempest was strickly a Post or HT.

[Judge Man]

I have more pontiac books that I'll look through to see if I find any more info.

[Judge Man]

I found another book that has some info in it.I look under 70 Tempest and it does'nt say anything about a T-37.But under 70 Tempest it mentions that the Tempest not T-37 was in both body styles.Heres what it said:

70 Tempest

2dr HT Coupe 23337 Prod. #-20,883

2dr Coupe 23327 Prod. #-11,977