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Another 'What Will/Did it Make' Thread
So...the original 400 rebuild for my 70 GTO is finally done and looking to get some perspective from the Pontiac faithful regarding the results. The engine was broken in on a dyno and made a couple runs. Not yet installed in the car.
Here are the basic specs (ask if you want more). Any guesses on the hp/torque?? - Stock YS bored .30 over (ICON/Scat H-beam/forged) - Stock crankshaft - Ultradyne cam (221/230 @ 0.50, 454 lift, 112LSA) - Stock #13 heads (with a little cleanup/3 angle valve job (Ferrea) and 1.52 roller rockers [asked for stamped OE or roller-tip]) - Stock intake - Stock Qjet - @ 9.5:1 - 9.75:1 compression (need to verify exactly) - DUI ignition
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1970 GTO (Granada Gold) - 400 / TH400 |
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385 hp.
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376HP
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66 GTO Nostalgia Super Stock/Street Legal Car 421 CID, stock block, Wenzler Intake, 2- Carter 750 AFB's, 3.90 Gears, Full Factory Interior, Full Exhaust, Stock Suspension 3750LBS 9.77@136.99 Multiple NSCA/NMCA World Champion 66 GTO 389 3x2, 4 speed, 4.33 gear, Montero Red 33K original Miles 67 GTO 2dr Post, 428, Tri Power, 3.55 Gears 80 Trans Am Black SE Y84 W72 WS6 |
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360
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Log exhaust manifolds, ram air manifolds, or headers on the dyno? If either of the manifolds, what head pipe did you use?
Dennis |
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FWIW...confirmed 9.54:1 compression.
Headers on the dyno. Will have oversized RARE manifolds/downpipe and 2.5" exhaust/Flowmasters when installed.
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1970 GTO (Granada Gold) - 400 / TH400 Last edited by vertigto; 05-18-2021 at 07:08 PM. |
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Dennis |
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Will give some more time for others to guess before revealing the results.
I will say that there were only minor tweaks in-between 3 runs that produced @ 5 hp /3 ft. lbs trq gain. I think there might be a little more in it with some additional tuning.
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1970 GTO (Granada Gold) - 400 / TH400 Last edited by vertigto; 05-18-2021 at 07:39 PM. |
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Everyone else so far is thinking along the same lines. I'm going to say around 380 horses and ~ 425 - 450 ft-lbs
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---------------------------- '72 Formula 400 Lucerne Blue, Blue Deluxe interior - My first car! '73 Firebird 350/4-speed Black on Black, mix & match. |
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Dennis |
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You made a "couple"runs?No results on them?Tom
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Okay...I'll cave.
Last run was 403/482. Previous run was 398/480. We (builder and I) were shooting for 400hp with a solid/durable foundation. Thoughts??
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1970 GTO (Granada Gold) - 400 / TH400 Last edited by vertigto; 05-18-2021 at 07:51 PM. |
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Please give the RPMs for these test and the more meaningful average numbers if you have them?
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Wernher Von Braun warned before his retirement from NASA back in 1972, that the next world war would be against the ETs! And he was not talking about 1/8 or 1/4 mile ETs! 1) 1940s 100% silver 4 cup tea server set. Two dry rotted 14 x 10 Micky Thompson slicks. 1) un-mailed in gift coupon from a 1972 box of corn flakes. Two pairs of brown leather flip flops, never seen more then 2 mph. Education is what your left with once you forget things! |
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I only have a low resolution/grainy video on my cell phone right now for the second to last run. Looks like 398.64 @ 5000 and 480.52 @ 3600. The builder is going to give the cam card/dyno sheets to the restoration shop when the engine is picked up. When I get a copy, I'll post them up.
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1970 GTO (Granada Gold) - 400 / TH400 |
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Wow that’s great for a stocker I was off by 43hp it will loose some when you put the manifolds on it still nice for pump gas.
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Yep...hoping the loss is relatively minimal with the oversized RAREs and 2.5" H/40 series Flowmasters. Didn't want the headaches with headers, for what most threads characterize as small gains.
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Dennis |
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3.23s with Auburn Pro limited slip...
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1970 GTO (Granada Gold) - 400 / TH400 |
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Very nice build, greatly exceeded my expectations. You taking it to the track?
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Chris D 69 GTO Liberty Blue/dark blue 467, 850 Holley, T2, Edelbrock Dport 310cfm w Ram Air manifolds, HFT 245/251D .561/.594L, T400, 9" w 3.50s 3905lbs 11.59@ 114, 1.57/ 60' |
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Fantastic, and congrats! Those are some nice numbers.
I was only off by ~20hp but I greatly underestimated the torque. WTH is wrong with me, it's a PONTIAC after all... LOL.
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