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If you want more for the car it needs the air conditioning replaced and functional., a reproduction ram air system and sell the mags and replace them with 15x7 Rallye IIs.
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Not a whole lot to add other than what has already been mentioned.
Yes, the color holds down value. I would think someone, somewhere, would eventually love it though. I think you need to be patient as the market is a lot smaller, but if it is as rust free as you say I think $20,000 is a decent price. I always preferred the ‘71-72 GTO hoods over the 68-70. The same way I like the Formula hood as opposed to the TA shaker hood. Just personal taste.
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I think your opinion is just that. An opinion. Obviously you are biased against the 71/72 nose. Suggesting a lemans nose is preferred is insulting.
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69 Judge, SURVIVOR, Carousel Red/Parchment, RAIII, 4-sp, 63k orig. miles, unrestored, #'s match 65 GTO, SURVIVOR, Tri-Power, 4-sp, 79k orig. miles, Capri Gold, orig. paint, top, interior, #'s match 70 GTO Conv, 400, at, A/C, Atoll Blue/Sandlewood/White top, all #'s match 2015 Challenger R/T Plus, hemi, Sublime Last edited by GTOnly70; 06-26-2020 at 11:05 AM. |
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The metallic/flake orange color itself isnt so bad.
They had an Orange in 72 so its not completely foreign. But it looks like they loaded the clearcoat with sparkles too, on top of that. That always kills the deal and looks too Tijuana / Ghetto If the paint looks "thick" , thats even more scary to a prospect. No way in hell i'd drive that car more than enough to get it home and hide it. Probably what your prospects have thought too Could wet-sand it and have the "low-sheen" patina look and would probably disguise most of the sparklies. Pop on some Rally 2's w/o trim rings. Then it would look a whole lot more like a civilized GTO to a GTO buyer. The next best alternative would be some true vintage mags, side pipes and chrome ladder bars, claim it was a 70's World of Wheels custom show car. The front clip is probably worth about 5k alone , if its really super clean. |
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I agree that the dated custom metalflake paint is the first thing that's going ot hurt value on the car;
A good number of people decide from the get-go on if they like hte car purely based on the street appeal - and colour of the car. The wheels are nice, but the wheel/tire combination appear to be decades apart from the paint. I agree that the 71-72 GTO front end is a bit of an aqquired taste, but I strongly disagree that it is "not desireable" or that "it is about as desireable as a 1973 GTO". I personally have come around to liking the 71-72 GTO front ends, and I think many in the hobby would have thoughts much inline with this. I agree that a factor is that not everyone relizes that 1972 model year GTO's didn't have the 242 vin - many people (as far as I know) will go straight to the vin to see if ti's a 242. Do you have PHS on it? Having PHS might help, incase someone is thinking it's "just a GTO clone". Aside from looking at paint, I'd just drive it, and make it a more enjoyable car; How does the AM mono radio work? If it's not working so well, maybe it could use a stereo; maybe you can find a 1970's or 1980's two post tape deck to put in it and carry some of the dated vibe into the interior!? I think the fact that it has a 1973 YS motor instead of what was probably a 1972 YS motor to be a lesser issue than some may have made it out to be; Let's be honest, most GTO's were driven hard, and a great deal have replacement engines - which is why these days people (like myself) go great lengths to get as correct a replacement engine as possible. The 1970(?) transmission I see as barely being even worth mentioning past the fact that it isn't it's original drivetrain; But it does have a replacement "correct" (400ci/TH400) drivetrain - you have that going for you. Is the top end original? I can see the intake is May 1972, and that it's a 1972 model year intake - but I cannot make out the head numbers. I agree that putting the AC back in there might help; Many people would aspire to have an as-original or as-correct car as possible. (maybe flip the air cleaner lid back right side up too!?) I can see that little things like the washer nozzles are not hooked up - and loose ends, or any apparent short cuts taken on the car may really hurt when someone does come to look at it. The interior looks fantastic; What's the wire dangling from the glove box about? It's my opinion, (since you're looking for them) that you will get the most money out of the car if it: - presents well - appears to be complete - does not appear have any corners cut - (and) can be driven and enjoyed exactly as-is. Quote:
It is honestly a nice looking car. I'd own it, but if I did, I'd fix some loose ends, and look into a colour change.
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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If your asking 20 for that 72, you are in NO way out of line! That is a very nice car.
I think it would do better if the interior was black though. If it not a GTO then put the trim that belongs on it.. I see cars set up like plain Jane 60s/70s street racers do very well. Maybe some black painted steel wheels 15 x 7 15 x 8 in the back with chrome lugs would give it a hint of bada$$.. I would stay away from modern ascetics, Pro Touring etc.. but update the suspension with a new Lee steering box 14:1 maybe 30 pound.. Pretty hard to compete against cars like the 66 GTO or Chevelle.. Wish you luck.. Last edited by 389; 04-25-2022 at 05:43 PM. |
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My fave year GTO, And it's due to looks! well worth 20k.
What has not been mentioned about the collector class of buyers is that after the 1971 model, ALL GTO were an option on another model, Lemans and Ventura II. Sadly this can eliminate some buyers. If I had room and the 20K, I would fix AC, install HEI, and a 2004R, and Drive it!!. Getting Value out of your car involves Turning the Ignition switch ON ! Love it! |
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The '72 Lemans & GT-37 have a far better "muscle" look than the mamby pamby look of the GTO. Could you see those bogus scoops on a '72 TA? Sales would have plummeted. How about a Formula? Awful. A similar scoop was used in '76 on the Formula, but it was scaled back, better proportioned, and blended in with the rest of the nose design. The '72? The designers blew it on that one. My opinion is that the GTO line ended in 1970. After that, it was all down hill and proof of that was the GTO went out with a whimper and a lipsticked up Nova called a Ventura with a 350 said to be a GTO. This is why the '72-'74 GTO's don't have a big following (unless higher horsepower optioned with 4-speeds) and won't command the prices the 1970 and earlier GTO's can. I would take a '72 Chevelle over any '72 GTO and I am not a Chevy guy. I'll stick to the real '64 - '70 GTO's, thanks for the suggestion. |
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In terms of the GTO going down hill in 71, well, a lot of muscle cars started to do down hill about that time. The 71/72 Chevelle front ends got quite ugly very fast, then 73 Chevelle's came along, just lol at that styling.
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Jim59;
You're not actually adding anything benifitial here. To further this, might I point out that there is virtually no styling difference between 1971 and 1972 GTO's. So picking on specifically 1972's seems like a lost cause from over here. Same bumpers; Same hoods; essentially the same drivetrains. The only differences between those years is that you could buy a '71 Judge, or a GTO convertible... or both. It seems to me that 1971 GTO's have been skyrocketing; If one of the twins is going up, the other is sure to follow. Also, it has seemed that the Lemans models originally opted with the GTO front ends have been getting alot of interest of late. @etd66; It's still a nice car; I think there are some good points brought up which you can either use to enjoy tge car, or to help attract a buyer - which ever you choose. Good luck!
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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The '71/'72 Chevelle front ends always looked more suitable to a pickup truck to me.
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I personally like the '71 and '72 with '70 and '67 as my least favorite. '65 are the best.
$20k for the car is all the money there is in the car in question because of the paint. Some guys will like it and some won't however.
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If I don't get $20k this summer, think I'll just hold on to the car. For $20k the buyer is also getting a '73 400 engine (apart) from a TA as well as a correct for 72 Q-Jet that needs a restoration. Don't need to sell it, but wanted to put that money aside for my next car, which I want to be a 69 GTO or a 68 Charger.
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Don't think you'll be getting that '69 GTO or Charger.
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SOLD 72 GTO: http://imgur.com/a/NvOUg My Chevelle project: https://imgur.com/a/v2PHi#0 |
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Purists will look down on anything that don't have date coded, numbers matching gas in it.
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Yep, I am aware that the '71's are like the '72's. My referencing is to the '72 model here posted. However, in being fair, the '71 GTO, and the GTO nose option on the Lemans is a failure in design aesthetics just as the AMC Pacer was. Please define what "skyrocketing" prices of the '71 GTO is? I just checked several web sites selling these and I am not sure what you consider "skyrocketing", but I have to say you are simply stating that fact without facts. The only higher priced '71's were the expected convertibles and Judges and/or HO equipped. Other than that, I could not seem to find this "skyrocketing" you are talking of. I hate to sound rude, but you're actually not adding anything beneficial here. |
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I might not be adding anything to further the discussion persay, but getting you to stop might be a benifit of it's own.
We get it, you don't like 1972 GTO's; We all got it the first time around; And we get it with every subsiquent post. Please understand that this is not a personal attack; I don't know you, and I have nothing against you. Have you taken notice when people have replied to your comments? This thread was created to help atd66, not to vent about styling preferences.
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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I guess before this thread devolves into a fight, just want to say thanks to all for posting (even the very negative posts). I have no problems with the varied opinions, as that's what this country is about. (Or should be about). Hope we don't have to completely erase history as the fascists seem to want.
Most of what was said about my car makes sense, biggest ding being the color choice of the owner who painted the car in 2007. One of the new things I learned is that in 72 the GTO as a Le Mans option, eventhough I knew about this, I didn't realize it's a turn off for some buyers becase of the no 242 VIN. I didn't think this was a devaluing factor. Coming from the Chevelle world anything after a '68, a SS is an option and not a model with a separate VIN, so was already used to that and it's acceptable to own a 70 SS for sure. I also thought that since 72 was a strike year and there was a limited prod run of GTO's, that this would make the 72 more desirable than its look a like 71 brother, but I guess not. However, none of the negatives about the car will change my bottom price I would accept. IMO, the condition of the original sheet metal adds value back in. So many cars we look at these days need full qtr's & whatnot, and GTO's just don't have a high end option such as AMD, would have to get lucky finding NOS panels, and then paying crazy money for them.
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