[Diego]

This is all I've found, which I think now isn't quite accurate.

[Tempest T-37]

Diego,

Here are some other posts that I dug up from some old threads that allude to the same document

Originally Posted by gtoric

The entire 33 body style line was refered to as the Tempest for the entire model year. The Pontiac Accessorizer effective September 18, 1969 lists:
Tempest Coupe (3327)
Tempest 4-Door Sedan (3369)
The Pontiac Accessorizer effective February 24, 1970 lists:
Tempest Coupe (3327)
Tempest T-37 Hardtop Coupe (3337)
Tempest 4-Door Sedan (3369)

There is not a listing for the GT Sport Package (GT-37) in this later edition of the Accessorizer, thus adding further creedence to the May intro date.

There were no post (3327) T-37s built in 1970, no such animal, but the GT Sport Package was available on both 2-door body styles of the Tempest. As JLP states, a V-8 was a manditory option.

Originally Posted by Judge Man

I have a book called Standard Catalog Of Pontiac 1926-1995.It mentions that the Tempest is a 2dr HT and in Februrary 1970 the T-37 2dr ht coupe was introduced.It says for both cars that the body style number is 23337.It does'nt mention that the T-37 or the Tempest was strickly a Post or HT.

Originally Posted by 'ol Pinion head

The T-37 name indeed was introduced in the Spring of 1970. There are some notes of the T-37 being introduced in February. I've yet to physically examine one built that early & I've been writing down 70 VINs & body build numbers for many years. Both the potmetal Tempest plate (emblem) #479180 along with the black & white T-37 decal 481938 on the fender, is how the cars were badged. When the '70 1/2 GT-37's rolled out in May, they carried the GT-37 decal 483376 below the Tempest "emblem".

In August of '70, when the first '71 T-37's rolled off the lines, the potmetal Tempest fender ID was no longer used, replaced by the potmetal plate PONTIAC 483926. Also a new for '71 potmetal fender plates T-37 483946, & GT-37 483947 were mounted below the PONTIAC. The 483947 GT-37 emblem was deleted when the '71 1/2 GT-37's were built (03B-03C & later body builds)

For '72, the 233 series line was gone. The 2D27-2D37 LeMans line was now the base line. On the fenders the raised potmetal PONTIAC plate were no more. Instead, there was a more flush mount brushed finish LeMans plate 487743 that was used on the front fenders. I've parted quite a few '72 LeMans GT's including an early built (Sept) quezal gold 350-3spd car & all included this design of emblem, er plate. Mark, I bet if you were to pull the front fenders and look at the dates stamped up by the marker light flange, it will confirm the '72 post car is indeed a '72 LeMans post, & the fenders were swapped out or new emblem holes were drilled, def not a T-37. Fairly common for such happenings over the years, I bought a fairly solid '71 23337 partscar about 12 years ago that '72 endura fenders on it.

Of note, the lightest '72 LeMans were the 2 door post cars. Vinyl flooring & non hidden wipers were standard as was the lighter standard interior panels, similar type standard equipment as on a '70 Tempest, Tempest T-37, & '71 T-37. When one ordered a '72 Lemans hardtop for '72 it came standard with carpet & hidden wipers.

[Tempest T-37]

Here are a few more pictures

[kylek350]

Wow, love it! Is the car original Atoll Blue? I love a good Tempest.

It's very interesting how perplexing the 'Tempest'/'T-37'/'Tempest T-37' thing is. I don't know if you saw from my thread the notion that there were NO '70 T-37 post coupes, while there were for some reason GT-37 Post Coupes and Hardtops! Then of course in '71, there were T-37 Post Coupes. Based on your build date, my vote would be that it's a Tempest and simply got referred to as a T-37 mistakenly on the bill of sale. After all, the 233 on the VIN makes no distinction between the names. I'd be curious to see a PHS for a 23337 built in May or June. Would PHS properly indicate "T-37" or would they default to "TEM HT CPE"?

[Tempest T-37]

Originally Posted by kylek350

Wow, love it! Is the car original Atoll Blue? I love a good Tempest.

It's very interesting how perplexing the 'Tempest'/'T-37'/'Tempest T-37' thing is. I don't know if you saw from my thread the notion that there were NO '70 T-37 post coupes, while there were for some reason GT-37 Post Coupes and Hardtops! Then of course in '71, there were T-37 Post Coupes. Based on your build date, my vote would be that it's a Tempest and simply got referred to as a T-37 mistakenly on the bill of sale. After all, the 233 on the VIN makes no distinction between the names. I'd be curious to see a PHS for a 23337 built in May or June. Would PHS properly indicate "T-37" or would they default to "TEM HT CPE"?

Yes, it was originally Atoll Blue. The car was at one point repainted at a Maaco and has since lost it's shinyness the color is not quite correct as there are some places where the paint has flaked away and the original color shows through.

I've considered a few possibilities. It seems like it's probably not a Tempest T-37 from the factory, but I still won't ignore that possibility because there seems the The Pontiac Accessorizer effective February 24, 1970 lists: Tempest T-37 Hardtop Coupe (3337).

Another possibility is what you mentioned, just a simple mistake.

The other possibility I've thought about it that the car sat on the corner of the lot unnoticed for a long time with Rally IIs on it (built March, sold November.) Let's say customer X comes in and wants to buy the GTO sitting on the lot, but wants Rally IIs, but that car has steelies. Dealership switches the wheels (the car has incorrect, unoriginal Rally IIs now, and one XE steelie in the trunk. PO told me that he traded the "original" steelies for these rally wheels and also gave me 4, T-37 style wheelcovers.) All the dealership would have to do is add a decal, or even make up a story about it being an early production and not coming with one.

:shrug:

[kylek350]

Here are the excerpts from the "Standard Catalog of Pontiac 1926-1995":




What's strange is that they don't list any production numbers for the Tempest 23337, but they do list 20,883 produced as T-37 23337s.

According to the production figures supplied by PHS, 20,883 accounts for ALL the 23337s in '70, but they don't seem to distinguish Tempest from T-37. The PHS sheet states "Tempest (T-37 in '71).

There's an example of a VOE GTO built many months after the program had been killed off, and there's a theory that Pontiac may have an honored an order that had been placed prior to the option being killed. Had the car been ordered prior to the T-37 announcement but built later, maybe it was built as a Tempest.

Since it wasn't an option package (like the GT-37) and merely a marketing name, there may be no scientific way to determine if a '70 hardtop is a Tempest or a T-37 unless there are early photographs of the car.


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[Colin W]

Speaking of gt-37's... here's mine

[kylek350]

Originally Posted by Colin W

Speaking of gt-37's... here's mine

Well you gotta figure it out now, because you have us all drooling!

[Colin W]

I'm not sure what exactly is going wrong. How do you typically post pictures on this board?

[kylek350]

Originally Posted by Colin W

I'm not sure what exactly is going wrong. How do you typically post pictures on this board?

They have to be hosted externally, then referenced with a full URL (http://). It's ironically easier for me to use the Tapatalk app from my phone than the website because it allows me to select a picture, then it uploads it to its own site for hosting.

[Colin W]

I don't think I had this issue when posting pictures on here before... perhaps it has changed. I can email the pictures to you, if you wish.

[Tempest T-37]

The other option is to post it as an attachment. Click "Post Reply" at the bottom left of the page before typing your reply. Click the paperclip when in the text formatting options and that will pop up a new window where you can upload your image. If you've already typed a quick reply at the bottom of a thread, you can get to the paperclip by clicking the "go advanced" button

[Colin W]

Ahh I see... the critical error was using the quick reply box.

Thanks guys. I guess the attachments are your rewards!

[Colin W]

The car is pretty rough unlike the rest that I own. It needs quarters, but the rest of the car is extremely solid. I'm not restoring it at this time because I just enjoy it the way it is. There is a thread somewhere on this site about my gt-37. People thought I was lying about buying it for $600, getting it running, and driving it away.

I've got a pair of 71 trans-am's and a 72 formula that have been restored to show room quality. Unfortunately it has taken the enjoyment out of the cars for me, as I no longer drive them much (way too much wrapped into them at this point).

[kylek350]

Wow, very, very cool. In what year were you able to buy that car for $600? Hopefully it was like 1980.


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[Colin W]

It really is a great car. I've got all the build sheets for it along with the factory literature. I believe I bought this car in 2012... I'll have to look back at the bill of sale. It's a 350 2 barrel car that was originally sold in Florida. I'm wrapping up my 455 build relatively soon, which will be put in it. Nothing serious (certainly not molesting it), just having some fun!

[UPC-WU2]

Colin do you have PHS for that GT-37?

[Tempest T-37]

Originally Posted by 'ol Pinion head

What plant was car built out of?

Does the car have standard (plastic buckle) seatbelts?
If so, does the passenger side front seat belt have a retractor, or is the outer most male seat belt just a loose male belt?

Originally Posted by 'ol Pinion head

On the seatbelt tangent, just threw that out, i might be off base. Need to double check what std content was for seatbelts on a '70 Tempest vs a '70 1/2 T-37. If deletion of the passenger side seatbelt retractor was part of the content revision for the late 70 season T-37's (like it was for '71's) then your car's build being mid March '70, would point to it being a Tempest, not a T-37.

FWIW. After doing a little digging I noticed that Goatless' 70 T-37 has a passenger side retracting seatbelt, so it's possible that that didn't change for '70.5. Which makes me wonder if anything is different between a '70 Tempest vs a '70.5 Tempest T-37 other than the decal on the front fender.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...96&postcount=2

[MikeNoun]

I have several original internal memos and documents regarding the development of the GT-37 package. I'm actually writing up something for Smoke Signals (the issue after next). New information was uncovered about this package that's never been seen before.

The T-37 was the model introduced for 1970. The target market was the Plymouth Duster and Dodge Dart. In mid-October 1969, an idea was hatched to make a version of the T-37 that would compete with the Road Runner and Torino Corba by ordering a 400 engine with the T-37. I have the original order form for the Cardinal Red 1970 Tempest that would become the GT-37. This was the car used for the promotional photo showing the car at speed on a lake bed, and also used for the publicity photo announcing the car to dealers.

In the marketing phase of the project, they proposed the names GT-37 or GT-27, based on body style. The Cardinal Red car was shown at a Zone Managers meeting in December 1969. There were a few revisions to the overall package content, and the final announcement for the GT-37 package being available was sent out in early April 1970.

Mike

[Diego]

To me, the GT-37 has always been a combination of a cosmetic supercar and the stillborn ET.