[UPC-WU2]

I have a TON of literature and photos and old magazine articles scanned and ready to roll. The site will concentrate mainly on the '70-71 GT-37. Also the '72-'77 LeMans GT, which is basically what the GT-37 package (UPC-WU2) evolved into after 1971. My internet-savvy brother and I got a fledgling site started and got a tiny fraction of the content uploaded a while back. He is working on the registry and we just need the time to get it all online. Someday soon hopefully. As for now the site is in its infancy. Someone did already take the name www.GT-37.com and started a site about 18 months ago, but there isn't much there. I ended up making my website at www.GT-37.org

http://www.gt-37.org/

[Judge273]

The GT-37 website sounds like it is good hands!

[2002Z4CSS]

Originally Posted by UPC-WU2

I have a TON of literature and photos and old magazine articles scanned and ready to roll. The site will concentrate mainly on the '70-71 GT-37. Also the '72-'77 LeMans GT, which is basically what the GT-37 package (UPC-WU2) evolved into after 1971. My internet-savvy brother and I got a fledgling site started and got a tiny fraction of the content uploaded a while back. He is working on the registry and we just need the time to get it all online. Someday soon hopefully. As for now the site is in its infancy. Someone did already take the name www.GT-37.com and started a site about 18 months ago, but there isn't much there. I ended up making my website at www.GT-37.org

http://www.gt-37.org/

Can't wait to see the finished site.

[gloryrestoparts]

according to

Originally Posted by UPC-WU2

Someone did already take the name www.GT-37.com and started a site about 18 months ago, but there isn't much there.

which has this:
There were only 1,419 GT-37's produced for the 1970 model year, all at the Pontiac, MI plant. If more detailed information becomes available I will post it here.



Guess this means my documented Freemont, CA car is a fake/clone. along with Bothwell's (Freemont, CA also) that was just in HMM. And the Palisades Green one that was in Utah and now I believe in CA (it was built in Arlington) that is owned by a board member. and thats just off the top of my head.

Originally Posted by UPC-WU2

I ended up making my website at www.GT-37.org

now that opens with a cool photo I haven't seen before. any idea what color the car is?

[UPC-WU2]

That's a rare color factory photo. I'm thinking Palomino Copper. Notice the hood tach too?

[Inagaddadavida_loca]

Doesn't look like Palomino Copper to me. Looks more like red with poor lighting. What is the most bronze-like color in 1970? None of the coppers or golds look like that.

[UPC-WU2]

[gloryrestoparts]

Originally Posted by UPC-WU2

That's a rare color factory photo. I'm thinking Palomino Copper. Notice the hood tach too?
Attachment 179189

yep, saw that. not to mention a post with hidden wipers and wheel well trim.

[2002Z4CSS]

So with the hidden wipers and wheel well trim, non sport mirror, it must have been an early photo.

[70Steve]

Originally Posted by UPC-WU2

That's a rare color factory photo. I'm thinking Palomino Copper. Notice the hood tach too?
Attachment 179189

That is a great shot and in colour! I have seen it in B+W and thought it might have been black, obviously not. The B+W shot was in the Feb '86 Smoke Signals and looks identical except the wipers aren't visible, so maybe there's a few similar pics.
The pic was provided by John Sawruk and is on "Black Lake" at the GM Proving Ground.

I agree with I.L. about red for the colour because there is an original photo of a very similar Knafel Magnum 400 in HPP (AUG 89 pg 35 if you care) that looks sort of Bronzey/Coppery but you can tell is Red. Very washed out looking Cardinal Red?

Thanks for posting this shot and look forward to seeing the website up and running.
Steve.

[joey GT-37]

Are the GT-37's really that desireable of a car? They dont seem to have that aura or interest of the GTO.

[Jack Peters]

The hidden wipers and wheel well trim were options that could be ordered. Just like carpets, ps, pb, at, honeycomb wheels, guages w/or w/o tach/clock, radio, sport suspension, etc.

[2002Z4CSS]

Originally Posted by joey GT-37

Are the GT-37's really that desireable of a car? They dont seem to have that aura or interest of the GTO.

From what I gather, they are more rare than a GTO. I bet most people never even heard about them so they would not know anything about them. I did not know they existed when I seen mine in a junk yard in North Carolina and when I got home looked up on the internet what a GT-37 was. I kinda like mine even though it is junk.

[RAIVJUMB]

When i take out my GT-37 it actually gets alot of attention. My son likes the car better than my GTO convertable. The car is alot of fun to run around it, but i am not sure I would want to take a long trip in it. i have had it a hour or so away from the house but it takes a toll on you running it around.

[Inagaddadavida_loca]

UPC, thanks for the color chip. Looking at it, I could side with you, but looking at copper cars I've seen in person, it doesn't look like it. I guess we'll never know, although it's cool to see a new factory photo in a color that's different from the other color photos I've seen.

In regards to the collectibility of the GT-37 asked by another poster, this is what I'll say:
In the general market, it's still no GTO. Even with a 400 4-speed, it's still no GTO. But to the right Pontiac person, I can see him/her going out of his way to restore a similar car, if not spend more than a similarly equipped GTO. This is pretty much true for other brands where the car with the image gets the demand but there are a precious few who will spend more for the right Plain Jane. :mytwocents:

[Jack Peters]

I just received an e-mail from Lee Sutter, the webmaster for GTO Alley, and he thanked me for the info and said he changed the site. I checked and it is now correct. Should have had him include the 455HO as one of the engines but did not think of it at the time.

[2002Z4CSS]

While I was at work yesterday my son calls me and tells me he found the factory build sheet for our 1971 Pontiac GT-37. He had found it under the front seat cushion at the right front corner. Very cool piece of documentation to have along with the PHS documentation we already had. I took my time removing it from under the seat. This paper was falling apart when I touched it and was very fragile. I did what I could to tape it back together on the hood of the car. Shows the important stuff. Even reads "Charlotte Convoy" on the lower left corner. This car was built in Pontiac, Michigan and shipped to North Carolina where it was sold at Sonny Hancock Pontiac in Gastonia, North Carolina. That dealer is still in business. The car spent its whole time in North Carolina.

[johnta1]

Cool find, 2002Z4CSS.


You wouldn't know the dealer number for Sonny Hancock Pontiac would you?
It would have been on the bottom 1/3 of the build sheet.

[gtoric]

Originally Posted by Jack Peters

GTO Alley is wrong. There were no '71 GT-37 post cars. I have the original Pontiac brochure that shows one. Then never made them as per the problem with the wing window and the sport mirror.

I ordered my T-37 new. I was not interested in the GT package.
The GT package consisted of the following on any 2 dr ht T-37 when ordered with ANY V-8 engine.
Hood pins
Dual Exhausts w/chrome tips coming through valance panel
GT identification on fenders and trunk
Ralley II rims w/o trim rings
G-70 X 14 raised white letter tires
HD 3 speed trans w/hurst shifter
Stripe package
...

Jack, you left out the Sport Mirrors option in your listing of package items for the '71 GT-37. As you indicated, the sport mirror interference with the wing vent windows is the reason that the '71 GT-37 was not offered in the sedan body style. Sport mirrors were not offered for the 2-door sedan and 4-door sedan body styles at all.

BTTT, how many GT-37s may still be in existance, using a miniscule sampling of member cars on this site, will not answer this question with any amount of satisfaction. Since there is no indication of the GT-37 option in the V.I.N., going through state vehicular registration files would not help either. And even if a registration search could reveal some pertinant insight, there are too many non-registered and abandonded cars still around to make that sort of source accurate. The only method I can think of to determine, sort of, how many are left is through insurance company survival tables. Even with this resource in hand, these tables would not be entirely accurate since specialty/performance vehicles like the GT-37 would not conform strictly to those table rates.

In 1979, Classic GTO Newsletter published just such a table. Here is the info they printed:
8 yr-old car - 77% survival rate
9 yr-old car - 66%
10 yr-old car - 55%
11 yr-old car - 44%
12 yr-old car - 32%
13 yr-old car - 23%
14 yr-old car - 16%
15-yr-old car - 9.2%
after 23 years - 1%

The article additionally states that, "The percentages have been found to become somewhat distorted around ten years for special interest type automobiles." It is my guess that after ten years of use, special interest cars tend more towards being parked and removed from service rather than being outright scrapped. Based on this perception, I would also venture to guess that after ten years the drop in survival rates for special interest autos would slow to about half the normal rate and stablize somwhere near the 5-10% range.

Taking these suppositions in hand, I would say that the 1970 GT-37 survival rate would be between 75 and 140 examples. The 1971 version would level out at betrween 290 and 580 units. Add to this guestimate,how many of these survivors are still in a driveable state? I'd say perhaps somewhere in the 10 to 20% range. Take these assumptions for what they're worth, very basic guesses. Just my 2 cents worth.

[2002Z4CSS]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Cool find, 2002Z4CSS.


You wouldn't know the dealer number for Sonny Hancock Pontiac would you?
It would have been on the bottom 1/3 of the build sheet.

I don't know there dealer number off hand but I did call them a while back to see if they had any information on my car. The guy told me they destroyed any of the old information older than 7 years old.