[suckaducka]

Just got WS motor 4 my 69 GTO Judge - A friend of mine tells me his uncle is selling
a engine from a old friends pontiac and he knows he hears his uncle say WS and it came out a 1969. He needs some cash and doesnt have time to do anything with it.
So I see the block sure enuff WS stamp legit. I buy the block .
I start talking to the guy and he says his friend got killed in the car and it was a Trans Am. The original block failed in under 1200 miles,so his buddy has the 69 T/A in pontiac service dept for about 7 weeks,gets car back in october 69 . The block stayed in the car for next 40,000 miles ,friend gets in wreck around 74 and dies.
he plans on finding and restoring another 69 t/a in honor to buddy and installing the engine he salvaged. never does .....
Anyways block stamped WS 9790071
block vin 28z112472

how is this possible no phs on this vin

[gtojon]

Based on the vin, isn't that a '68 date from the Z (Fremont CA) plant?

[johnta1]

Based on the vin, isn't that a '68 date from the Z (Fremont CA) plant?

Yes.

how is this possible no phs on this vin

Did you send the whole 28z112472 to PHS to see what came back?
(not just 112472)

Is there a eun/mun on it?
What's the date casting on it?

[slowgto]

The VIN is for a 1968 car.
If the block was replaced, wouldn't it be an SR block not a WS?
If the block was replaced, would it have a VIN on it?

A 1968 WS would be a 400 manual trans HO. (Same 9790071 casting as 1969)
Check the casting date by the distributor hole.

If from a GTO hardtop, the VIN would be 242378Z112472 for the PHS.

[The Boss]

6 or 7 digit EUN?

[johnta1]

I'd say the service department put a 68 400 (out of a junk yard car maybe?) instead of getting a SR from the factory.

Maybe someone in the service department needed the TA engine and swapped his in?

[GTO JOHN]

To PHS the VIN go ahead and submit the 28Z112472. PHS can pull the complete VIN PHS off just that info.

I agree with some of the thoughts above. The 69 T/A probably was in the shop so long because there was some haggling going on. Either between the T/A owner and the dealer, or the dealer and the factory. Somebody did now want to cover the warranty with an SR block. Or the SR block came in, then went out the back door and the '68 WS gets installed in the T/A instead.

Either way, congrats on getting the WS.

[suckaducka]

So I went back with my friend to his uncles ,to ask some questions ?
I showed him this forums answers or insight to get his feedback ,since I knew I would be getting the real scoop into the situation. It gets kinda annoying when it seems like you get a bunch of varying peoples answers.I knew I had to get the real deal from him..

He read the thread and couldn't stop laughing ,because I used the word experts when refering to the OT forums. He couldn't believe so many people viewed it and all replyed with no where near the right answers.

He said the dealership was getting hassled with the fact that the term ****(ram air)**** , due to tightening Smog laws in California, and since the car was a Pontiac it didn't smog or air pump.Idk
He explained to me that pontiac blocks didn't need them but chevys did,Idk something to that extent.
Eventually after about 3 weeks of paperwork entanglement and run around his friend was told everything would be taken care within next week. He was deployed to bootcamp ,he ended up getting hurt in bootcamp in a live fire drill and was honorably discharged. He picked the car up around 6 1/2 weeks from time it had been dropped off. He says his friend actually got a bit of royal treatment from Pontiac after his mom had written a letter without his knowledge to big wigs in pontiac. He says his friend was given the keys to the car by John Delorean ,in a picture that he still has ,and will dig threw a bunch of stuff to find. The pic appeared in the paper with a headline of something like Pontiac helping People . I am gonna drive there on Saturday probably because it is in the Mountains of Santa Cruz, I am willing to waste a day just so I don't have to make the drive again...I am kinda excited, its gonna be like a treasure hunt, well kinda except

[The Boss]

Thanks for the story, keep us posted.

[johnta1]

Thanks for the story, keep us posted.

X2!

I for one would like to know how a 69 TA has a 1968 'Z' plant engine in a 'N' or 'L' TA car?
(factory original?)

Was the TA's last 6 digits of the VIN also 112472?

Yes, indeed, keep us posted.
And a pic of Delorean also.

[Todd Kozak]

Alot of dum guys kinda hang on this forum, Idk

[gtojon]

Can't wait to hear the end of story, I hope I was wrong, but I think not.

[muscle_collector]

paging jeremy

[The Boss]

Originally Posted by muscle_collector

paging jeremy

[65WJ]

Originally Posted by suckaducka

Just got WS motor 4 my 69 GTO Judge - A friend of mine tells me his uncle is selling
a engine from a old friends pontiac and he knows he hears his uncle say WS and it came out a 1969. He needs some cash and doesnt have time to do anything with it.
So I see the block sure enuff WS stamp legit. I buy the block .
I start talking to the guy and he says his friend got killed in the car and it was a Trans Am. The original block failed in under 1200 miles,so his buddy has the 69 T/A in pontiac service dept for about 7 weeks,gets car back in october 69 . The block stayed in the car for next 40,000 miles ,friend gets in wreck around 74 and dies.
he plans on finding and restoring another 69 t/a in honor to buddy and installing the engine he salvaged. never does .....
Anyways block stamped WS 9790071
block vin 28z112472

how is this possible no phs on this vin

Originally Posted by johnta1

I'd say the service department put a 68 400 (out of a junk yard car maybe?) instead of getting a SR from the factory.

Maybe someone in the service department needed the TA engine and swapped his in?

Originally Posted by johnta1

X2!

I for one would like to know how a 69 TA has a 1968 'Z' plant engine in a 'N' or 'L' TA car?
(factory original?)

Was the TA's last 6 digits of the VIN also 112472?

Yes, indeed, keep us posted.
And a pic of Delorean also.

I think you aswered your own question.

patrick

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

He sold you a 68 block because you were both too dense/lacking to know its not a 69 block.
Now he's blowing smoke in your trunk to cover the deed.
You bought the block, so no wonder you're buying his explanations too.
If you put a 66 WS 389 engine into a 69 TA, its still a 66 WS 389.
And the 68 WS, is still a 1968 WS - even if its in a 79 or 89 TA.

Originally Posted by suckaducka

1 ...gets car back in october 69.

2 installing the engine he salvaged. never does ....

3 how is this possible no phs on this vin

#1 - Remember that Oct 69 timeframe, and hang on a minute.

#2 - So why did you just buy only the block if he has the whole engine from the wreck ?
Clarify and identify if other pieces exist.

#3 - Some (very few) cars, PHS has no data in archive.
Did you actually contact PHS ?
Please clarify

Originally Posted by suckaducka

So I went back with my friend to his uncles ,to ask some questions ?

He read the thread and couldn't stop laughing ,....

He says his friend was given the keys to the car by John Delorean ,in a picture that he still has ,and will dig threw a bunch of stuff to find. The pic appeared in the paper with a headline of something like Pontiac helping People.

October 1969. okay
Delorean went to work for CHEVROLET in February 1969.
So ... he left Michigan 9 months later, traveled out to California, to visit a PONTIAC dealership, to hand the keys over to the owner of a recently serviced PONTIAC, while employed by CHEVROLET. Because Pontiac helps People.

dude
really
i mean really

And what does it matter about no smog equip in 68 and 69 Ponchos when it involves warranty repair of a 69 ? This is all a crock of scatterbrained nonsense. If a Pontiac dealer were to install a new engine in a 69 TA even in 2005, it still would not require smog equip to be installed.

Originally Posted by muscle_collector

paging jeremy

M_C , you probably nailed it.
The 69 350 BrownBird has a 68 WS longblock - fwiw

[The Boss]

Welcome back!

[Lloyd-TX]

Boy, oh boy - this is getting GOOD!

[Region Warrior]

A bit early, but since may not be back here till Monday, i'll say it now.

He cant handle the truth.

[muscle_collector]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

He sold you a 68 block because you were both too dense/lacking to know its not a 69 block.
Now he's blowing smoke in your trunk to cover the deed.
You bought the block, so no wonder you're buying his explanations too.
If you put a 66 WS 389 engine into a 69 TA, its still a 66 WS 389.
And the 68 WS, is still a 1968 WS - even if its in a 79 or 89 TA.



#1 - Remember that Oct 69 timeframe, and hang on a minute.

#2 - So why did you just buy only the block if he has the whole engine from the wreck ?
Clarify and identify if other pieces exist.

#3 - Some (very few) cars, PHS has no data in archive.
Did you actually contact PHS ?
Please clarify



October 1969. okay
Delorean went to work for CHEVROLET in February 1969.
So ... he left Michigan 9 months later, traveled out to California, to visit a PONTIAC dealership, to hand the keys over to the owner of a recently serviced PONTIAC, while employed by CHEVROLET. Because Pontiac helps People.

dude
really
i mean really

And what does it matter about no smog equip in 68 and 69 Ponchos when it involves warranty repair of a 69 ? This is all a crock of scatterbrained nonsense. If a Pontiac dealer were to install a new engine in a 69 TA even in 2005, it still would not require smog equip to be installed.


M_C , you probably nailed it.
The 69 350 BrownBird has a 68 WS longblock - fwiw

good to have you posting again. where have you been??? when you and steved arent posting, things are just too tame around here.