[mike leech]

Originally Posted by johnta1

After much more crying Leech said:



You are truly delusional.

I'm sure you think anyone not milking cows is delusional. So smarty pants you tell me how much does a state of the art ex coughlin prostock weigh complete with titanium hardware (nuts and bolts everywhere) carbon fiber body, carbon fiber brakes etc. You highlighting what a moron you are. I've seen the car. Its triple throw down bad. and light. get the weight. cause it matters.

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Using 1128 Dynoed HP, 2000 lbs, 5 speed trans, and 2700 DA
60 Foot ET = 1.2078
330 Foot ET = 3.1286
1/8 Mile ET = 4.6850
1/8 Mile MPH = 158.9112
1000 Foot ET = 6.0299
1/4 Mile ET = 7.1660
1/4 Mile MPH = 199.0816

Using 1177 Dynoed HP, 2100 lbs, 5 speed trans, and 2700 DA
60 Foot ET = 1.2078
330 Foot ET = 3.1296
1/8 Mile ET = 4.6876
1/8 Mile MPH = 158.7797
1000 Foot ET = 6.0331
1/4 Mile ET = 7.1689
1/4 Mile MPH = 199.1982

Using 1226 Dynoed HP, 2200 lbs, 5 speed trans, and 2700 DA
60 Foot ET = 1.2078
330 Foot ET = 3.1299
1/8 Mile ET = 4.6891
1/8 Mile MPH = 158.7339
1000 Foot ET = 6.0344
1/4 Mile ET = 7.1694
1/4 Mile MPH = 199.4059

Stan

Thank you Stan. here we can easily see why everyone would like to know the weight....200lbs = 100 hp in you sims. sounds right. johns site is 100 hp less though... I thought calculators were all accurate? guess not.

[johnta1]

I thought calculators were all accurate? guess not.

Not only delusional, but not very bright?

He is using the weather corrected numbers.

If you use the weather adjusted ET and try it, it would probably be closer.
(that one you used is for STP)

Stan's calculations are also much more elaborate, so would be more accurate.
Mine is for a ball-park figure.
(and for quick use)

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Not only delusional, but not very bright?

He is using the weather corrected numbers.

If you use the weather adjusted ET and try it, it would probably be closer.
(that one you used is for STP)

Stan's calculations are also much more elaborate, so would be more accurate.
Mine is for a ball-park figure.
(and for quick use)

Ha! a more elaborate guess! we still have no weight!

my god you're a a real gem

[GTOGEORGE]

I think Stan's numbers look pretty damn GOOD to me!


GTO George

[3fastgtos]

KRE's MR-1 THE BEST Aftermarket Pontiac Block Bar NONE!

Hey, I still want to know why you believe this. I've asked several times, if I missed the answer I apologize in advance.
SD

[lugnutt]

Originally Posted by 3fastgtos

KRE's MR-1 THE BEST Aftermarket Pontiac Block Bar NONE!

Hey, I still want to know why you believe this. I've asked several times, if I missed the answer I apologize in advance.
SD

I was kinda curious about that myself!

[twooldgoats]

Originally Posted by mike leech

......So smarty pants ........

Now,that's just over the line.

Jim

[mjm421]

How much ballast can a pro stocker legally add?

[Probird]

Originally Posted by mjm421

How much ballast can a pro stocker legally add?

If I read it right, anything faster than 8.49 is 250 lbs.

[johnta1]

That's probably ET racing.

Here's the Pro Stock from rulebook:

[mjm421]

Back to topic. As much as I like to try and antagonize Jack (all in fun) my prediction is: A LOT of horsepower and very fast! 1113 hp.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by mike leech

Ha! a more elaborate guess! we still have no weight!

my god you're a a real gem

Mike,
So all of these calculator are just guesses. So please do explain how from et, mph, and weight you can get a HP number that is anything other than a WAG?

Stan

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Mike,
So all of these calculator are just guesses. So please do explain how from et, mph, and weight you can get a HP number that is anything other than a WAG?

Stan

you sir are guessing at the weight of the kre car. if you know something other than a gues speak up. It's NOT 2300 lbs. Get the weight then we can have a useful talk......but most of them go in the useless direction and i will not continue a back and forth about bs.

and by the way a wag is all that is possible with missing info. get the weight and we can move on to a swag.

If we have weight, et, and hp we can remove one and reasonably calculate its value. We were trying to figure out how much the kre boys are making with a warp 6 535. WE CANNOT FIGURE THAT WITH ONLY ONE KNOWN DATA POINT! Please i'm trying to be nice here but dang it you're doing this on purpose. No where did jack say he would make 1300. You did. Don't think for a minute that what you are really doing is not obvious. Some ill planned form of race head "Social Justice"

Lets set the bar "for" jack so high it unreasonable then call him a failure for not getting there, EVEN IF HE BUILDS A STOUT COMBO THAT IS IMPRESSIVE. You guys and your retarded nonsense is laughable. I'm sure you see it as retribution for him being mean to another head. The difference is they made the claims not him. And there are still no takers on that front that can come even close to the same performance as even the ehead let alone tigers, and kre high ports.

cheers

[Probird]

Originally Posted by johnta1

That's probably ET racing.

Here's the Pro Stock from rulebook:

I read that and it looks like it tells you how much the max is in certain spots on the chassis. It really doesn't give a max there. It refers you to the general rules where it says max is 250 if under 8.50. I don't know....it's a little confusing.

[Probird]

Hard to say what KRE's car weighs. I know my chassis car weighs 1500. Although it isn't finished, it's a rolling chassis with a heavy Dana 60 rearend and is mild steel not chromoly. I weighed it with a powerglide case, 428 block with iron heads, headers. Basically it's missing wiring, a rotating assembly and about 85lbs worth of transmission internals. The iron heads make up for some of that compared to aluminum heads. I think finished it will come in around 2100 lbs maybe less since I have to put a new chassis under it and it will be chromoly.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by Probird

Hard to say what KRE's car weighs. I know my chassis car weighs 1500. Although it isn't finished, it's a rolling chassis with a heavy Dana 60 rearend and is mild steel not chromoly. I weighed it with a powerglide case, 428 block with iron heads, headers. Basically it's missing wiring, a rotating assembly and about 85lbs worth of transmission internals. The iron heads make up for some of that compared to aluminum heads. I think finished it will come in around 2100 lbs maybe less since I have to put a new chassis under it and it will be chromoly.

Nice! I had no idea rick! Start a tread on that bad boy! hope that goes well on the rest of the build.

Clearly a state of the art pro stock all chrome moly cage with a carbon fiber body and carbon fiber interior with titanium hardware would be significantly lighter. Not to mention a small driver.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by mike leech

you sir are guessing at the weight of the kre car. if you know something other than a gues speak up. It's NOT 2300 lbs. Get the weight then we can have a useful talk......but most of them go in the useless direction and i will not continue a back and forth about bs.

and by the way a wag is all that is possible with missing info. get the weight and we can move on to a swag.

If we have weight, et, and hp we can remove one and reasonably calculate its value. We were trying to figure out how much the kre boys are making with a warp 6 535. WE CANNOT FIGURE THAT WITH ONLY ONE KNOWN DATA POINT! Please i'm trying to be nice here but dang it you're doing this on purpose. No where did jack say he would make 1300. You did. Don't think for a minute that what you are really doing is not obvious. Some ill planned form of race head "Social Justice"

Lets set the bar "for" jack so high it unreasonable then call him a failure for not getting there, EVEN IF HE BUILDS A STOUT COMBO THAT IS IMPRESSIVE. You guys and your retarded nonsense is laughable. I'm sure you see it as retribution for him being mean to another head. The difference is they made the claims not him. And there are still no takers on that front that can come even close to the same performance as even the ehead let alone tigers, and kre high ports.

cheers

Mike,
The only person locked into 2300 lbs is you. I have posted HP numbers based on 2000 lb. (your estimate of its eight), 2100 lbs, and 2200 lbs.

I along with Aaron believe that Lil Jack's engine should be able to make 1300 N/A HP. When reminded that Nitrous engines are not all-out engines like N/A engines I did post a revised N/A HP number. In a all-out 400 ci engine with a smaller bore (ie smaller intake valve) spacing Visner has made around 1180 HP. I know 120 HP more from 141 ci is asking allot.

When all else fails, you go back to the same old cylinder head BS. I do not know if it is lack of reading comprehension, or bad memory on your part, or just wanting to be argumentative. One more time. I have no cylinder preference

Stan

What cylinder head is this?

[mike leech]

Stan Stan Stan. I said 2000 ish. Comparing jacks to An Existing and continually refined pro stock effort only further highlights your bias and inexperience. Have you or Arron(no disrespect to him) ever built a 1300,1100, or 1000 hp NA anything? While you're discussing how easy it is?

And ps. How many more times are you going to post that picture of an engine you had little to do with? Could you please just count how many more times you want to and just make one final post with that many pictures in it?

[Tiger Paw]

I gotta get to Norwalk this year!

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by mike leech

Stan Stan Stan. I said 2000 ish. Comparing jacks to An Existing and continually refined pro stock effort only further highlights your bias and inexperience. Have you or Arron(no disrespect to him) ever built a 1300,1100, or 1000 hp NA anything? While you're discussing how easy it is?

And ps. How many more times are you going to post that picture of an engine you had little to do with? Could you please just count how many more times you want to and just make one final post with that many pictures in it?

Mike,
I do not understand Leecheese. How much different is "2000 ish" than 2000.

Maybe I am the one not has the Reading Comprehensive problem. But I am sure I saw Lil Jack talking about how he had the "A Team" building his engine not Stan Weiss. The only one using the word easy is you.

Again lack of comprehension on your part. It is not about who built the engine, but cylinder preferences. I will post that picture as many times as it takes for you to comprehend. Which means I will be posting that picture a lot.

Stan