[wase]

Originally Posted by Inagaddadavida_loca

What I'm suggesting is that even though the color (plus, presumably, the other 3 mid-year colors) received this designation on the data plate, it's still an RPO color.

I Loca,
I think you're right in saying that the four additional late year colors could be referrred to as "RPO" although they might have required writing in their names and numbers on the ordersheet.

The link you included earlier for the Mustang special paint site was interesting too. I found information there that documented Mustangs being painted colors used primarily on Massey lawnmowers.

Also earlier in this thread you mentioned a GM car being painted Mopar Plum Crazy,do you have any more info on that car, such as build sheet or pics of the trim tag?

[Joe B]

my info has made me conclude that GM never went outside the company for a paint color just the other divisions
Joe

[wase]

Originally Posted by John V.

Joe B., it does not matter about the majority opinion of car hobbyists. What matters is what the evidence can prove.

Just because you hold this opinion about the special colors and claim that most people agree with you, does not make it a "fact". Evidence makes for facts, not opinions.

Too often, "majority opinions" have passed for fact in the car hobby. I have seen too many of these widespread opinions shattered by hard evidence.

In this case, I cannot point you to a specific car as proof that GM would allow a paint color formulation that was never offered by GM and/or would allow paint colors used by another automaker.

But you might want to read what Jim Mattison has written on the topic about his actual experience within the F&SO Dept. at Chevy during this same time frame and see if you don't change your opinion about the possibility that you could order your GM car with a special paint color from among thousands of choices that were never a standard GM color and it would be approved and built.

Go to this link:

http://www.chevellestuff.com/qd/paintinfo2.htm

Really do click on this link provided by John V. it is interesting to read about paints used on Chevelles.

[wase]

This is the link provided by I Loca from the Pink GTO thread;
http://mustangattitude.com/mustang/6...ofcolors.shtml
It's also interesting to read about what Ford was doing with car coloration.
This is from "PINK GTO" thread, post #11.

[wase]

In case you missed this one earlier; From John V.
http://packardinfo.com/xoops/html/mo...le.php?c16/200
This one is from post #102 above.

[Inagaddadavida_loca]

I am traveling, so I'll find the Plum Crazy item will be posted when I get the chance.

[Joe B]

I still believe GM would only maybe go outside a the company for paint on a fleet order I have never seen any hardcore evidence to disprove this
Joe

[Inagaddadavida_loca]

Here's more info on the Plum Crazy cars:

http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.ph...ght=plum+crazy

http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.ph...ght=plum+crazy

No docs posted, so take it for what it is.

I also have a pic of an Olds painted this color; owner claimed it was painted this way.

And, of course, there's this car, which probably was a Riviera or Caddy color - I can't remember, but it was at Volo a few years ago:

http://www.v8buick.com/attachment.ph...7&d=1135341385

[wase]

It's been a while since my original posting, looking for information on factory Orange 1968 GTO's. While I haven't done the spray-out on my car yet, I'm wondering if there is any more information from other owners, or knowledge of other factory Orange, or special paint GTO's and GTO convertibles out there?

[wase]

Hey it been a while, does anyone have any new info, car spottings?

Originally Posted by wase

It's been a while since my original posting. I'm looking for information on factory Orange 1968 GTO's. I'm wondering if there is any more information, or knowledge of other factory Orange, or other special paint GTO's, and especially, GTO convertibles out there?

[Joe B]

I have some info and a color chart if you send me your address I will send you a copy
Joe

[wase]

Thanks for that Joe. Is it different from whats been posted in this thread?

[Joe B]

there are 4 special order colors for the 68 GTO's pink mist #868-99466, carnival red #868-99539 which is very similar to carousal red, windward blue #927-99576, marigold yellow #L67YD003.
All these GTO's came with the chrome front bumper only, these colors were 68 only and were available in the entire Pontiac line. The factory recommended black or parchment for interior colors on the pink, red and yellow cars. They recommended blue or teal interior on the blue car. They also recommended the saddle interior on the yellow car. These were all at special cost and took longer to deliver. They also required the zone office to place the order.
Joe

[John V.]

Joe B, you questioned whether GM or PMD could go "outside" the company for a special order color except maybe on a fleet order.

You wanted hardcore proof to prove otherwise.

This was copied from a '67 Cadillac salesman's book:

"Any past model or non-standard shade can be
supplied on a special order basis. To order, Type 00
in COLOR space which denotes that color is not a
current option and indicate color name and reference
in special feature section of the order form, e.g.,
1964 Lime; 1959 Seminole Red.
Allow 4 to 5 weeks for shipment since a qualified
chemist must defer his regular duties to formulate,
obtain and blend the paint to the requirements of
such special order colors."

The examples (1959 Seminole Red & 1964 Lime) were Cadillac past model colors. But the verbiage should be clear, you could also order a "non-standard shade" that was not a Cadillac or GM past model color.

I realize you may think Cadillac was different, but the ordering process was the same for PMD.

There is a thread in the '64/'65 GTO forum about a '64 GTO that was painted a '58 Pontiac color.

While this color is not "outside" the company, the ordering process was the same. I find no logical reason that special colors had to have been a GM past model color.

Either way, the paint had to be purchased, delivered, and sprayed. The order "complexity" was the same whether you wanted a '58 Pontiac Lucite color or a '67 Mustang Lucite color.

As long as the customer could identify the color, it could be ordered. There was a charge for this and very, very few customers took advantage of the availability.

The added lead time was because the paint had to be ordered from DuPont and delivered to the Fisher Body Plant where the Body Assembly was painted and to the Final Assembly Plant where the front end sheetmetal (hood, front fenders, etc) was painted.

The 4 colors you identified were the '68 Spring Colors that could be special ordered. The sales catalog page for them can be viewed here:

http://firstgenfirebird.org/firebird...anual/R-5.html

A scanned copy also was posted earlier in this thread.

I stated this in this thread before, these would have been considered "Regular Special Colors" (Sales Code SPR) which carried a smaller price than "Special Special Colors" (Sales Code SPS).

See the note at the bottom, there was additional cost and lead time for these colors.

Note, the Special Equipment Order form was a supplemental form, used for special paint requests and certain special equipment options and requests. It was supplemental to the regular order form whenever special equipment options were ordered.

There was nothing special about the order submission when the Special Equipment Order form was included, all orders were written up by the dealer and were entered thru the Zone Office.

wase, looking back in this thread, one thing I noticed. You mentioned about matching color formulas and mentioned Enamel paint.

GM always used Lacquer. PMD at the Pontiac Plant (don't know about the Chevy controlled Baltimore Plant) mostly used DuPont Duco Lacquer and then when DuPont Lucite Lacquer was introduced in '56, PMD began to use that. By the late '50's or early '60s, GM had stopped using Duco Lacquer, only Lucite was used. Sometimes, a DuPont Dulux Enamel formulation was available to match the Duco lacquer or the Lucite lacquer color. Not always.

There is zero chance (IMO) that the car was originally sprayed with Enamel.

'56 Packard Naples Orange was a Duco Lacquer formulation. Since GM was using Lucite exclusively, not Duco, in '68, I am sure they would not have sprayed a Duco formula color. I'm not sure if DuPont offered any cross reference between Duco colors and Lucite colors. I'm pretty sure GM would not have approved a color that couldn't be easily ordered as a Lucite color.

I still think the most likely thing is the car was originally sprayed with the Lucite Lacquer Carnival Red DuPont mixing formula code 868-99539. JMO.

[Joe B]

All what you say seems likely
Joe

[wase]

Hello everyone! since it has been a while, I'm wondering if anyone has any specific information on any other real factory orange 1968 GTO convertible(s) in existence. Thanks!

[GTOLIB]

ok I just read through this whole post ,searched around the paint code charts.

I need help with this code
it is a 68 GTO ,It has a chrome bumper ,delete I don't know
I am waiting for the PHS info
but the paint codes are strange also

built , 06 B ,
JUNE
Baltimore plant

TR 233 blk interior
B 1-53 2 paint
? ??? black vinyl top
the B does not show on the chart,it could be D or even a 8,has been painted over
I was thinking maybe D alpine blue
what is 1-53 ?


any help?

[Joe B]

I think you need to get PHS then decipher all the codes. I have all the info on the orange, blue, pink and yellow GTO's with the chrome bumpers. FYI you could delete the endura front bumper and go to chrome on any color car. Just with these 4 colors you could only get the chrome bumper.
Joe

[GTOLIB]

thanks Joe
faxed over the PHS forms ,waiting
but which blue
this car has been painted 3 times,70s green/custom air brushing ,then black ,back to green hard to find the original color

[Joe B]

here is the Pontiac sales bulletin
Joe



(m) Engines
(n) Transmission
(o) Power Train
(p) Chassis
(q) Body
(r) Color and Trim
(s) Opt. Equipment and Accessories




- 1968 PONTIAC
SPECIAL ORDER
EXTERIOR
COLORS


Pink Mist (32K)
Pink Mist (868-99466)

Windward Blue (32K)
Windward Blue (927-99576)

To help satisfy those customers who request special exteror paint, Pontiac is making available four distinctive new colors for 1968 - Pink Mist, Carnival Red, Windward Blue, Marigold Yellow. These special exterior colors are available for all 1968 series except GTO wtih "ENDURA' bumper.

Listed below each color chip is the special order paint number, while the recommended interior trim combinations for each grouped according to availability.

Carnival Red (32K)
Carnival Red (868-99539)

Marigold Yellow (32K)
Marigold Yellow (L67YD003)

Recommended Interior Trim Combinations - All Four Exterior Colors
BLACK - 206-217-223-228-232-235-253-259-269-272-503-510-515-520-529-538-544-551-554-
556-561-567-570-572-583-587-589-591-593
PARCHMENT - 224-233-236-260-262-528-552-555-558-573-585-592

Additional Recommended Interior Trim Combinations - Windward Blue
BLUE - 201-213-501-506-511-516-525-534-559
TEAL - 219-232-250-255-533-545-548-560-564-579
TURQUOISE - 202-214-220-256-261-502-507-512-526-535-542-547-563-580

Additional Recommended Interior Trim Combinations - Marigold Yellow
SADDLE - 231-571-594

NOTE: Request for these special order colors will require additional production and delivery time and result in added costs. All orders should be written on the Special Equipment Order From and submitted with the car order to your Zone Office. Prices are listed in the 1968 Pontiac Price Poster.




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