[tom s]

George,it sounds easy but auto cars want a break over stick shift,single quad want a break over 2 carbs,small tire want a break over big tire.That is just N/A,get power adders involved it will just double.You have been on this board long enough to know you cant get 8 guys to agree on anything.Tom

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by tom s

George,it sounds easy but auto cars want a break over stick shift,single quad want a break over 2 carbs,small tire want a break over big tire.That is just N/A,get power adders involved it will just double.You have been on this board long enough to know you cant get 8 guys to agree on anything.Tom

Oh I agree with you completely......the race will never happen too many whiners, so the least rules the better. Line them up and let’s GO!


GTO George

[PontiacMatt72]

Rules:
1. Pontiac power
2. Door car (no rails)
3. Heads up
4. No b1tching

Everything else goes. Weigh 4000 or 1500, N/A or P/A, 326 CID or 600+CID. who cares. Run your car, not your mouth.

I’ll sponsor the race at least up to $200 out of my own pocket just to see it happen, maybe more if 16+ car count.

[tom s]

big spender.Might want to talk to Pete before you can get a slot.Tom

[PontiacMatt72]

Lol, 10 people, $200 each ought to cover the cost of the race, no?

I’d love to give more if I had it. I don’t run a business, or really even have a dog in this fight. I just would like to see a good race.

How much you puttin up Tom?

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by PontiacMatt72

Rules:
1. Pontiac power
2. Door car (no rails)
3. Heads up
4. No b1tching

Everything else goes. Weigh 4000 or 1500, N/A or P/A, 326 CID or 600+CID. who cares. Run your car, not your mouth.

I’ll sponsor the race at least up to $200 out of my own pocket just to see it happen, maybe more if 16+ car count.

That is the Fantic 4.

[tom s]

I would not put up a penny for a power adder race.The reason I put up $1000 to $1500 for like 7 years to watch a HU/NA race almost 3000 miles from home.Ask Kinsler or Pickett how much they took home a couple times.Slowbird ran it also.You had to have a 9.20 car to be in the hunt.Usually took a high 8 run to win it.The MR1 guys teamed up the last few years and did it on their own last year with no one signing up.There are just not enough cars avail to race a N/A HP CI to weight race.The big motor cars have to weigh too much,the sweet spot is 460-500 CI.I was good while it lasted.Tom

[PontiacMatt72]

Aha. Guess I didn’t really know the Frantic 4 rules.

How many cars last year?

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Only rules you need is weight breaks one for NA and one for PA.....pretty DAMN simple.



GTO George

PA vs NA COULD be 1000 lbs difference at same power to weight! (or worse).

Best to just have 2 separate classes.

You COULD have a final where na runs against pa, but it would require a handicap.

HANDICAP????? Would have to be based on avg et of both cars in final ! (Avg they ran that day prior to final). ONLY IF final ended with NA vs PA.

[Half-Inch Stud]

Seems to me NA has the advantage & PA should get the handicap; start at 29 sec;

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w7XO6ReYmls

[GTOGEORGE]

You don't handy cap cars with ET......Hell thats bracket racing! This is heads up, weight is the only way to do it......you're not going please everyone so why try.


GTO George

[Kevspontiacs@aol.com]

NA on one side of the ladder and PA cars on the other??

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by 535 tall deck

NA on one side of the ladder and PA cars on the other??

Weight difference and everyone heads up. JMO!


GTO George


Actually in the quick 16 it’s door cars against dragsters.


GTO George

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

You don't handy cap cars with ET......Hell thats bracket racing! This is heads up, weight is the only way to do it......you're not going please everyone so why try.


GTO George

I'm only talking FINAL ROUND. And then ONLY IF FINAL ends up PA vs NA. OTHERWISE NO HANDICAP!!!
PA vs PA NO handicap.
NA vs NA NO handicap

What I proposed (see post 5^^^^^^) is actually two separate classes... NA and PA.
With ONLY final being run with a handicap based on average ET's both cars ran previously .

[GTOGEORGE]

There’s already a race like that Frantiac Four!


GTO George

[bad69bird]

Originally Posted by Jack Gifford

About $2,500. But how would you make it any more acceptable to the racers than Tom S did?

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Relaxes the rules only a weight limit........NA and PA!

*NO HANDICAP...this is a heads-up race!!!
GTO George

I proposed something similar to this of FB...

*1/4-mile contest

*Must be Pontiac powered

*Any size or type of tire is acceptable

*N/A- 2800lbs

*P/A- 3300lbs

*.400 protree

*First to the stripe wins

*Cars MUST pass across the scales after each pass and be at or above their respective weighs for the pass to count.

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

PA vs NA COULD be 1000 lbs difference at same power to weight! (or worse).

Best to just have 2 separate classes.

You COULD have a final where na runs against pa, but it would require a handicap.

HANDICAP????? Would have to be based on avg et of both cars in final ! (Avg they ran that day prior to final). ONLY IF final ended with NA vs PA.

Bruce there is NEVER...I repeat NEVER a handicap in a heads-up race!!!

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

You don't handy cap cars with ET......Hell thats bracket racing! This is heads up, weight is the only way to do it......you're not going please everyone so why try.


GTO George

THIS^^^^

[PontiacMatt72]

Originally Posted by bad69bird

I proposed something similar to this of FB...

*1/4-mile contest

*Must be Pontiac powered

*Any size or type of tire is acceptable

*N/A- 2800lbs

*P/A- 3300lbs

*.400 protree

*First to the stripe wins

*Cars MUST pass across the scales after each pass and be at or above their respective weighs for the pass to count.

THIS^^^^

I like it.

[chiefbigb]

Pa class and na class. Heads up and run what you brung. Just my opinion.

[GoatZillaRacing]

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