[64speed]

I am a little pissed because I purchased the Dual Sync distributor to adapt to my Sniper because I was told by a Holley rep that they were never gonna make the hyper spark for the Pontiac. Now they have it for the Pontiac and every other brand on the and the distributor says it comes with a melonized gear which is compatible with Roller Cams. If that is true that will be the first melonized Pontiac gear in production by anyone and if it will fit the MSD shaft I want one. I think the hyper spark is more expensive in the long run because you have to purchase the CDI box and the required coil.

[Lee]

Holley and MSD are now owned by the same corporation, and have been for several years. All of their distributors are probably assembled in the same shop.

On the product webpage for the Pontiac version, https://www.holley.com/products/fuel.../parts/565-314 , it clearly states that it comes with a "cast gear" - so no melonized for the Pontiac. The Dual Sync, however, says it has a "hardened steel" (i.e. "melonized") gear. But I doubt it, both distributors most likely have the same exact gear.

As for the expense, are you comparing to the Dual Sync? They are basically the same thing, except the Hyper is simpler with less parts (hence the lower price). As for box & coil, "Like any of the Sniper ignition timing control options it requires either a coil driver module or an ignition box >" https://www.efisystempro.com/efi-pro...gnition-wiring

[HWYSTR455]

I was recently, and have been for some time, complaining that the only offering NOT available is the Pontiac one. I mean crap, they had it for even the AMCs and Jeeps!

The HyperSpark dizzy is a single trigger, hall effect, and uses the 'crank trigger' wiring of the Sniper ECU. The dual sync has 2 triggers, one is to provide a cam signal for sequential operation. The reason Holley says that it has to be a dual sync, originally, is because there were no acceptable hall effect dizzys out there for a long time. Hence the development of the HyperSpark. Main purpose there was to compete in the marketplace and offer timing control for entry level systems.

The gear is still not something I would run with a roller grind that specifies a 'bronze' gear. The only cam manufacturer that I'm aware of that offers compatible cams with regular gears is Crane, and that's due to the cores. So I would question if a cam manufacturer advertises that a Pontiac cam can be used with a regular gear. It's most likely due to the fact that they copied the description of another product and just pasted it below the Pontiac one.

The savings is nominal. You can't cry over an $80 expense, it's not a deal-breaker, especially when you're spending like $1500 on a system.

The HyperSpark box is basically a rebranded MSD 6, with a connector that specifically plugs into the Sniper. If you've already purchased a 6 for use with the system, as well as the dizzy, just wire it as recommended in the systems, no sense beating yourself up over if you should have waited or not.

Depending on when you bought the other pieces, and what you paid for them, max diff in price is like $200. It's really not that big of a deal when you're talking about a $30k+ build.

I'm happy they finally offered this though, even had commented on the Holley EFI forums and directly to Holley regarding.

I have a brand new FAST Dual Sync, Holley Dual Sync version 1, and a version 2. I'm going to start a thread comparing them, but just to say, the FAST and the Holley version 1 are the same body, at least, if not the same guts too. The version 2 is a new body, with a few minor updates, and if you have either of the previously mention 2 others, there's no real reason to switch.

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[Scott65]

Unfortunately, we will always be anywhere from behind the curve, to left out in new product development for Pontiacs in the mass market. The Pontiac specific vendors do a great job, and that statement wasn't aimed in their direction. My 2 cents...

[HWYSTR455]

True, but it's way better today than it was in the 80s & 90s. And Pontiac was still alive then!

Others are just ramping up, Oldsmobiles is one that was much slower than Pontiacs.

The big 3, Chevy, Ford, Mopar, has always had a strong support from the factories, and use the racing & aftermarket to promote new tech and cars to the racing and DIY/resto crowds.

Luckily, there are investors or people willing to invest in the other brands, or there would be almost nothing. The spike in musclecar desire, fad, and resto resale market drove some to fill gaps in brand support. Otherwise, everything would have a chevy engine in it.


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[Scott65]

True. Modern design techniques I imagine have helped Pontiac/ Olds etc. compared to earlier days.

[T/A addict]

I'm in the same position as you now, I purchased a complete Sniper setup and all components...... Looks like I'll be placing my brand new dual sync up for sale and replacing it with the Hyper

[HWYSTR455]

I say use it, no real benefit from switching to the hyper spark stuff.

EDIT: And the dual sync provides an upgrade path too.


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[T/A addict]

Originally Posted by HWYSTR455

I say use it, no real benefit from switching to the hyper spark stuff.

EDIT: And the dual sync provides an upgrade path too.


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ok cool, advice taken then if there is no real benefit.
Thanks

[grivera]

64 - I would suggest you not buy expensive components until you are ready to install or within a couple of months. Buying this far out will surely end up in updated products in the marketplace for you to compare to.

Didn't you end up selling the original Sniper system you bought for these same reasons?

[64speed]

Originally Posted by Lee

Holley and MSD are now owned by the same corporation, and have been for several years. All of their distributors are probably assembled in the same shop.

On the product webpage for the Pontiac version, https://www.holley.com/products/fuel.../parts/565-314 , it clearly states that it comes with a "cast gear" - so no melonized for the Pontiac. The Dual Sync, however, says it has a "hardened steel" (i.e. "melonized") gear. But I doubt it, both distributors most likely have the same exact gear.

As for the expense, are you comparing to the Dual Sync? They are basically the same thing, except the Hyper is simpler with less parts (hence the lower price). As for box & coil, "Like any of the Sniper ignition timing control options it requires either a coil driver module or an ignition box >" https://www.efisystempro.com/efi-pro...gnition-wiring

They have changed this within just the last 24 hours because the original ad said melonized gear. I even called Holley Tech to confirm. After the phone call there must have been an oh **** moment and a change.

[HWYSTR455]

Originally Posted by 64speed

They have changed this within just the last 24 hours because the original ad said melonized gear. I even called Holley Tech to confirm. After the phone call there must have been an oh **** moment and a change.

Exactly as I suspected and mentioned in post #3:

"It's most likely due to the fact that they copied the description of another product and just pasted it below the Pontiac one."


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[Bandit400]

64speed- They hyperspark does not necessarily require a hyperspark coil and ignition box. Depending on when you purchased your sniper, it should have come with a coil driver (small box, 2-3" long, with wires attached). If you use this, with a standard style canister coil (MSD Blaster 2 or similar), you will be just fine. No other parts required.