[428ho4spd]

I'm curious if there are other '69 GP owners that show NO power steering listed on their PHS invoice, but their car came with p/s from new? My GP is this way and the original owner said that it always had p/s. The date code on the gear box fits the car's build date as well. Thinking that it may have been missed when invoiced?

Grant

[johnta1]

Can you post the PHS?

Does it have a 331 option?

[428ho4spd]

No p/s option shown...

[johnta1]

Very nice GP, Grant!

4 speed with 428, cool.

I think with the SJ model, possibly the PS was standard on it?
(it wouldn't be shown on the PHS if so)
edit: I think yours may not be a SJ like I thought originally

Tried looking for a build sheet?

Very cool GP, any pics of it?

[428ho4spd]

Thanks John!

I'm pretty sure p/s was an option even on the SJ. This is a Model J, optioned with the std 428. It was kind of a strange optioned car as ordered... no radio, rally wheels, rally gauges or tach... although, these options have been added along with a sport steering wheel.

No, I haven't... but like others I've owned there should be a "build order" above the gas tank.

Here's a link to a photo album here... http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...p?albumid=1250

Grant

[johnta1]

Thanks for the pics.



I would think when Old Goat Racer sees this he would be getting some wood on it!



Nice car, is the interior color original?
I thought it would have green interior.
(I don't have much color info on GP's unfortunately)

Is the rear gear 3.23?

[wldthng72]

This is what i got with my car, it shows power steering, didnt get no build sheets with mine

[428ho4spd]

John,

You're welcome!

Yes, interior is the original color "parchment". True, the majority of green GP's that I've seen had either green or black interiors.

Yes, 3.23 rear... which is std with a/c.

Grant

[428ho4spd]

Originally Posted by wldthng72

This is what i got with my car, it shows power steering, didnt get no build sheets with mine

Cool car, wldthng72! Nicely optioned too! What is the outside color?... I cant make it out clearly on your invoice.

Grant

[From GS to GP]

Beautiful car Grant.You said you added the sport wheel.Is that a factory or a Performance Years wheel? It looks super.Thanks,Mike

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by wldthng72

This is what i got with my car, it shows power steering, didnt get no build sheets with mine

Build sheets only exist in the car (if at all).

They were not kept by PMD and therefore PHS.

K

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by 428ho4spd

Thanks John!

I'm pretty sure p/s was an option even on the SJ. This is a Model J, optioned with the std 428. It was kind of a strange optioned car as ordered... no radio, rally wheels, rally gauges or tach... although, these options have been added along with a sport steering wheel.

That's pretty common in the early GTO world: cars with power steering (but not power brakes)...and vise versa.

Not sure that it necessarily translates over into Grand Prix territory.

K

[wldthng72]

Originally Posted by Keith Seymore

Build sheets only exist in the car (if at all).

They were not kept by PMD and therefore PHS.

K

yup i know that , it was all ready torn down somewhat, seats where out and door panels where off. only thing still on car was gas tank, but didnt find nothing there. got the phs with car when i bought it.

[wldthng72]

Originally Posted by 428ho4spd

Cool car, wldthng72! Nicely optioned too! What is the outside color?... I cant make it out clearly on your invoice.

Grant

from the looks of it same as your car somewhat , midnight green, black top and interior, just wonder how many midnight green 4 speed cars out there, is yours factory color ???

[Matt Meaney]

it was my understanding that that a "standard" power steering box was standard equipment on the Gp and would not show up on the phs. where as, the optional variable ratio unit would show up. does anybody have a phs from a car with manual steering? would it be listed as a credit or no charge option?

[428ho4spd]

Originally Posted by From GS to GP

Beautiful car Grant.You said you added the sport wheel.Is that a factory or a Performance Years wheel? It looks super.Thanks,Mike

Thanks, Mike!

The previous owner actually added the sport wheel, it is an original... not a repro.

Grant

[428ho4spd]

Originally Posted by wldthng72

from the looks of it same as your car somewhat , midnight green, black top and interior, just wonder how many midnight green 4 speed cars out there, is yours factory color ???

Nice!... my first '69 SJ was that color combo. Yes, this car is factory code (MM) Midnight Green... no vinyl top.

[johnta1]

Does anyone have a window sticker for their car?
Would think it would say what the GP came with standard on the left side of it?

[428ho4spd]

Originally Posted by Matt Meaney

it was my understanding that that a "standard" power steering box was standard equipment on the Gp and would not show up on the phs. where as, the optional variable ratio unit would show up. does anybody have a phs from a car with manual steering? would it be listed as a credit or no charge option?

Fairly certain that they only used variable ratio p/s on the '69 GP's. If no p/s was listed on the invoice as an option, then it would have manual steering. No credit was issued on invoices of factory manual steering GP's that I've seen. This car should have manual steering going by the PHS, but the original owner has said otherwise.

[johnta1]

Look at the GP in this thread:

73 GP

In there it has a link to paperwork on it.

It has the buildsheet and the PHS.
The PHS doesn't show PS either, a butt-load of options though.

The build sheet does show it has power steering.