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04-10-2013, 10:09 PM
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Norwood car; built date: 06A (first week of June) body sequence number: 7388445
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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06-20-2012, 04:58 AM
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My 73 has it on the driver's side.
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06-20-2012, 05:17 AM
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Great stuff Tom, keep snapping. I hope Bill Oxley looks in on this thread, as he was instrumental in the restoration of that 70 VN RA IV car that won best at the Nat's a few years ago. I do believe that car sold for a cool $250,000.
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#4
06-20-2012, 07:11 AM
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oh there is more Norwood, just need to download the camera soon. I have been trying to save all the original u-nuts since they are not reproduced, trying to stay away from ANY reproduction part on this car....
I really want this thread to be an open discussion, thats why i'm posting these pictures. Lets discuss the why's, what if's, or the "really" If anyone sees somethin that is different then what " You " have seen, lets talk !! I love discussing this kind of stuff. Thanks guys !! Tom Last edited by formula400; 06-20-2012 at 07:18 AM. |
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06-30-2012, 06:07 AM
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06-20-2012, 07:21 AM
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Tom, that's an amazing effort, thank you for including us!
I think I've seen that car once or twice. 
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#7
06-20-2012, 07:42 AM
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Yes you have .
interesting fact i found out, short story - I did research on this car and searching who owned it and the history. This car was a one owner car until the 90's. After much research it turned out kinda funny, come to find out the guy who bought the car from the original owners has been a client of mine which whom i'm restoring a 70 T/A for...unbelievable !! So i call him and he was very excited to hear it has re-surfaced and that the car is with me. He told me when he found the car in california from the original owners that the shaker had a "455" decal. the owners swore this is how they bought the car from the dealer. This is how the car was advertised for sale by the owners, as a 455 T/A for sale. After he did his homework when viewing the car it was a ram IV T/A !! As stated, for the most part this car appears to be untouched and appears the engine has never been out of the car. The only major thing i see is one re-paint. Off the top of my head i noticed the front intake bolts are not the studded ones, i'm assuming changed for some reason ?? Or as we all know pontiac did goofy stuff that we all thought should be another way. Once i get more into the car we will see !! |
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#8
06-23-2012, 07:48 PM
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[QUOTE=formula400;4661346]Yes you have .
Off the top of my head i noticed the front intake bolts are not the studded ones, i'm assuming changed for some reason ?? QUOTE] Haven't taken the time to read all the postings yet, but.......those two right front intake bolts should not be the studded top type. No A/C option for RAIV TA, so the normal washer headed boltsa were used. |
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#9
06-24-2012, 03:08 PM
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Okay, I think we've got the hinge spring bolt identification squared away. I've posted a revised pic.
Next riddle to solve is that of the center brace/spar lower three '6201 bolts. From my research, these are unique to this location. I've posted a pic of the two most likely possibles. I know that '0314s have been substituted, but I'm looking for those that match the number. I'm leaning toward the one on the left. If anyone recognizes where either one of them goes, let's nail it down. I realize many of you guys don't care about hardware originality, but for those who do... Besides, it's fun solving mysteries. |
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#10
06-25-2012, 02:33 PM
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Looks like longer bolts were substituted at the front fender to core support -- upper with loose washers -- as well.
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#11
06-21-2012, 11:30 AM
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The manuals are just a guide and are by NO means always correct. The true answers are in the original un-touched examples we love to admire.
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#12
06-21-2012, 11:36 AM
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Oh, i know...lol
I'm going by whats is available at this moment, and thats the part numbers. I need others to have a look at thier bolts and see whats there. We all know that they never built all cars alike. I just want to know if others have the coarse screws as well to confirm that this car could've had them. Seeing the same screws on the 71 i have is too coincidental. |
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#13
06-21-2012, 12:47 PM
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06-21-2012, 02:33 PM
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Cool, i think this is resolved then. I believe later 70's and some 71's recieved these "course" bolts then.... 
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#15
06-21-2012, 06:38 PM
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An interesting side note: The '6223 bolt and '9994 u-nut configuration was used on 69 firebirds at the lower edges of the core support (I have confirmed this). It may be that Norwood cars used the '7275 bolts that matched the number in the assembly manual and that Van Nuys substituted the coarse bolts, or that they switched later in 70. I have a core support out of a CA car that had them, but I don't know the build date of the car it came off of.
Another interesting anomaly. While we're comparing, check to see if the 71 trunk edge harness clips have a round hole stamped in them. Last edited by FunctionalShaker; 06-21-2012 at 06:44 PM. |
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06-22-2012, 06:43 PM
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The last hood spring bolts with fixed washer are correct, to my knowledge. I have taken apart many 1970 and others and found the original ones to be just like yours, aside from the fact that the cars I dealt with were Norwood cars... which can make a difference sometimes
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#17
06-22-2012, 09:58 PM
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Based on our findings, I'm going to conclude that the longer, coarse bolts are correct -- considering the nut used and the length. Part # is: 9427275
Is it possible the washered bolts in question are part # 3846201, used to attach the center brace to the bottom of the core support? These appear to be unique to this location. The reason I question this is because I have found a short stubby bolt there as well. Pics to follow. Last edited by FunctionalShaker; 06-22-2012 at 10:16 PM. |
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#18
06-22-2012, 10:57 PM
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I know you're documenting the attaching hardware for now. But, did you find any date coding on the horn assemblies?
http://www.forums.maxperformanceinc....d.php?t=545562 |
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#19
06-23-2012, 08:04 AM
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When I worked at the Framingham BOP plant in 1972, line engineers used TMDs all the time to substitute parts. A TMD is a Temporary Manufacturing Deviation.
The things that were chnaged most were fasteners. So, a car built one week could have variations from cars built before it or after it. Also, all of the painting was done manually, so there were variations there as well. The amount of robots doing work then = zero. All humans, with the dveiations from human technique. |
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#20
06-23-2012, 08:25 AM
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