Pontiac - Street No question too basic here!

          
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 08-04-2019, 12:49 PM
pastry_chef's Avatar
pastry_chef pastry_chef is offline
Suspended
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 2,300
Default

Here is a note about the virtues of a solid roller.

Intake RX lobe 4305
261 @ .050
179 @ .200
.431 lobe lift.

Exhaust NC lobe 4145
262 @ .050
183 @ .200
.421 lobe lift.

Same centerlines as post 19. Valve lash .020 , same 1.6 rockers.
Superior output from 1500 RPM (far left) to 6200 RPM.

Attached images, the lighter colors are the solid roller.
Green is TQ. The other is net valve lift curves, notice the solid roller has less overlap. Red traces are the intakes.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	535Solid.jpg
Views:	73
Size:	27.1 KB
ID:	517060   Click image for larger version

Name:	535Output.jpg
Views:	84
Size:	27.4 KB
ID:	517061  


Last edited by pastry_chef; 08-04-2019 at 12:57 PM.
  #22  
Old 08-04-2019, 01:23 PM
nmoreilly nmoreilly is offline
Chief Ponti-yacker
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: New York
Posts: 509
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pastry_chef View Post
Here is a note about the virtues of a solid roller.

Intake RX lobe 4305
261 @ .050
179 @ .200
.431 lobe lift.

Exhaust NC lobe 4145
262 @ .050
183 @ .200
.421 lobe lift.

Same centerlines as post 19. Valve lash .020 , same 1.6 rockers.
Superior output from 1500 RPM (far left) to 6200 RPM.

Attached images, the lighter colors are the solid roller.
Green is TQ. The other is net valve lift curves, notice the solid roller has less overlap. Red traces are the intakes.
In both cases, does lowering the exhaust duration help with the low RPM bucking, surging (reversion). ?

  #23  
Old 08-04-2019, 01:41 PM
pastry_chef's Avatar
pastry_chef pastry_chef is offline
Suspended
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 2,300
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nmoreilly View Post
In both cases, does lowering the exhaust duration help with the low RPM bucking, surging (reversion). ?
Need to watch the lobe centerlines as well but if the exhaust duration is reduced too far it hurts top end power.

  #24  
Old 08-05-2019, 01:08 PM
Steve C. Steve C. is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Liberty Hill, Tx. (Austin)
Posts: 10,432
Default

The heads will thrive on high valve lift.

0.592" lift is not a lot knowing those heads are well ported for the claimed 360 cfm and that is probably at 0.700" lift. Many years ago when I bought my set of High Port castings they were claiming the heads AT THAT TIME had flow numbers starting at 340 cfm not ported. In reality they were closer to 330 at .700" lift with a SCE 128103 gasket. That gasket has a port opening about 2.320" tall despite what the SCE catalog states.

We ported my HP castings to 403 or 415 cfm depending on the bench, good numbers 14 years ago. Supporting 910 hp.


.

__________________
'70 TA / 505 cid / same engine but revised ( previous best 10.63 at 127.05 )
Old information here:
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/0712p...tiac-trans-am/

Sponsor of the world's fastest Pontiac powered Ford Fairmont (engine)
5.14 at 140 mph (1/8 mile) , true 10.5 tire, stock type suspension
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDoJnIP3HgE
  #25  
Old 09-25-2019, 08:18 PM
nmoreilly nmoreilly is offline
Chief Ponti-yacker
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: New York
Posts: 509
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nmoreilly View Post
Thanks! Definitely think a bit more lift. Will let you know what we decide to go with
Went with your suggestion on the HR cam and works as you suggested producing virtually identical hp/tq numbers at same RPM. The issue now is that comp 857 lifters have failed - 4 of them at this point- after driving and chassis dyno testing. I know the hybrid setup is been discussed a lot but wondering if solid lifters would work with this cam. Really running out of other ideas at this point

Thanks in advance

  #26  
Old 09-25-2019, 08:21 PM
nmoreilly nmoreilly is offline
Chief Ponti-yacker
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: New York
Posts: 509
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pastry_chef View Post
My hyd roller suggestion with Comp lobes
Dynomation 6 says it will do what you want. A bit more lift than your previous cam

Intake lobe 13459 (QXI)
305 adv
253 @ .050
174 @ .200
.399 lobe lift

Exhaust lobe 13486 (QXX)
309 adv
255 @ .050
174 @ .200
.389 lobe lift

114 LSA , install intake at 108 centerline.
Went with your suggestion on the HR cam and works as you suggested producing virtually identical hp/tq numbers at same RPM. The issue now is that comp 857 lifters have failed - 4 of them at this point- after driving and chassis dyno testing. I know the hybrid setup is been discussed a lot but wondering if solid lifters would work with this cam. Really running out of other ideas at this point

Thanks in advance

  #27  
Old 09-25-2019, 08:58 PM
pastry_chef's Avatar
pastry_chef pastry_chef is offline
Suspended
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 2,300
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nmoreilly View Post
the HR cam and works as you suggested producing virtually identical hp/tq numbers at same RPM
PM sent.

  #28  
Old 09-26-2019, 04:06 PM
ponjohn's Avatar
ponjohn ponjohn is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 9,542
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nmoreilly View Post
Went with your suggestion on the HR cam and works as you suggested producing virtually identical hp/tq numbers at same RPM. The issue now is that comp 857 lifters have failed - 4 of them at this point- after driving and chassis dyno testing. I know the hybrid setup is been discussed a lot but wondering if solid lifters would work with this cam. Really running out of other ideas at this point

Thanks in advance
How much power did it make?

Ported high ports?

Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:25 AM.

 

About Us

The PY Online Forums is the largest online gathering of Pontiac enthusiasts anywhere in the world. Founded in 1991, it was also the first online forum for people to gather and talk about their Pontiacs. Since then, it has become the mecca of Pontiac technical data and knowledge that no other place can surpass.

 




Copyright © 2017