[War eagle]

After study of 64-67 and 70 Master Parts Catalogs, group 5.544 shaft, I think the reference 1964 'except T/6 pg' is probably an error. This shaft is 5679580 fits 64, 65-66. The yoke 5695103, confirms that it was used with the 64 T6-T8 then 65 T6 /T8 3&4sp and 65 T6-T8 AT. There is NO reference to a separate propeller shaft thru 1970 for a 64Tempest with 6cyl pg.

Color coding a 1964 Tempest propeller shaft would ONLY have to designate Tempest possibly Cutlass and Skylark. Not Chevelle. So I think if there is a color coded shaft for the assembly line, it may only be a swatch or possibly a single stripe. I think I saw a single black 1inch stripe on mine. 62 bv has a blue swatch at the yoke as shown. Perhaps in 1964 this was to quick grab a shaft from the stack with the yoke color clearly visible to the installer. Subsequent years added the stripes as options increased. More original examples will be needed.

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by pfilean

It's a wonder why the factory did some things. If in 64 one shaft fits all exc. 6 cyl Tempest - why? Did the 6cyl get different transmissions of different length or different output splines or oil seal diameter? Or did the 6cyl sit different in the frame and require a different length. But then you look at Jeff's charts and the same length shaft has different color codes. Did these match to transmission output shafts with different splines or oil seal diameters?

Yes - probably any and/or all of the above.

Sometimes it's a wonder why the factory does things even when you are living in that moment. The passage of 40 or 50 years can make it even less obvious.

K

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by War eagle

One would think the 64 stripe info would be included in the Inspectors Guide, if color was so important.

I just checked my '64 Inspector's Guide and the propshaft part numbers and stripes do appear; on page 32.

That reinforces the thought that it was important and was to be verified.

K

[62 bv]

hi keith its brody can you post the stripes and numbers thanks

[Keith Seymore]

I can't get into either of my Photobucket accounts so this will have to do.

It's barely legible even in real life.

K

[War eagle]

Wow that's great Keith. I am scrambling to enlarge it but can`t so far. Where is the Tempest info on the page please? Maybe I can zoom in.

[62 bv]

thanks where can i get a 64 Inspector's Guide brody

[dld]

It is plausible that the markings were used to I.D. at the point of mfg.also. They most likely made thousands of different shafts w/different joints and yokes.

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by dld

It is plausible that the markings were used to I.D. at the point of mfg.also. They most likely made thousands of different shafts w/different joints and yokes.

Yes. Typically Parma Ohio.

K

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by 62 bv

thanks where can i get a 64 Inspector's Guide brody

I got mine from John Misny (8Lug on this forum).

K

[8LUG]

Keith, the Inspectors guide was for fullsize Pontiacs.

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by 8LUG

Keith, the Inspectors guide was for fullsize Pontiacs.

I see that, now. (I fell for the oldest trick in the book - "Tempest" is separate from "Pontiac").

At any rate - it doesn't appear Tempest is on that propshaft chart, which may have been WarEagle's earlier point.

K

[8LUG]

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...ht=drive+shaft

[John V.]

The '65 required a specific Prop Shaft for the HD 3 spd trans, this was the Dearborn top loader trans, presumably had a specific output shaft spline, hence a unique Prop Shaft needed. The Dearborn trans was not used in '64.

Per the '64 Tempest Inspector's Guide.

All Tempests used Prop Shaft p/n 5679580 with 1 Purple, 1 Yellow stripe color code. EXCEPT for the Power Glide trans.

The Power Glide was SOMETIMES used in place of the Super Turbine. IIRC, it was ONLY ever used for the 6 cyl but I believe it was NOT used on ALL 6 cyl '64 Tempests. All '65 Tempests used the Super Turbine, the Power Glide was not carried forward for '65 to my knowledge.

When used, the Block was to have a "1" added to the Engine Code to identify the usage.

In any event, the '64 Power Glide used Prop Shaft p/n 5679502 with 1 Green, 1 Orange stripe color code.

Apparently there was a revision in the Prop Shaft usage with the Muncie 3 & 4 spds for '65. I have no idea what was upgraded. But whatever the change, it resulted in a specific Prop Shaft for this application.

Note, the Prop Shaft for the '65 Super Turbine was unchanged from the regular '64, same p/n 5679580, same stripes.

[62 bv]

ok mine looks like the one in the pitcher that 8 lug posted

[War eagle]

Originally Posted by War eagle

I agree Keith BUT why is Jeff H. claiming all of those tempest COLOR CODES? At the most 2 codes would cover the ENTIRE Tempest line.

Great info John. Rather odd that the 502 just never shows up in the Pontiac parts books. However the Olds shared part number does appear in other "A" body parts books, except Chevelle. The 64-65 cutlass version is used with the olds JT (Jetaway) and later in the 1966 Cutlass AT. A note here on the 66 with AT and is marked with 1green and 1yellow and part number 5679502. John`s information for the 502 in 1964 would indicate that in at least the 1966 cutlass 502 did not share the same color code.

[John V.]

Originally Posted by War eagle

Great info John. Rather odd that the 502 just never shows up in the Pontiac parts books.

W.E., the 5679502 is listed in the '66 PMD Parts Catalog, Gr. 5.544. Only application for it is "T/6 P.G." The stripes for both '64 Tempest Prop Shafts are NOT noted in the Parts Catalog. Only additional notation is that the 5679502 notes, "w/rubber torsional dampeners".

I have confirmed that the Power Glide was only used on some '64 Tempest 6 cyl, others with 6 cyl got the Super Turbine. The Power Glide was a Chevy trans, the Super Turbine was a Buick trans. I don't know if these trannies were used interchangeably at all Plants or perhaps the Chevy trans was used only at the Chevy controlled KC & Balt Plants in '64. Regardless, the 6 cyl cars could have come either way.

The '64 Tempest Shop Manual does not list p/ns or stripe codes but it does describe the two Prop Shafts in a curious way. It says two shafts are used, a solid tubular steel shaft for cars equipped with synchromesh transmission and one incorporating rubber torsional dampeners for cars equipped with automatic transmission. This is clearly untrue as the latter was only used for 6 cyl cars equipped with the Power Glide while other 6 cyl cars got a Super Turbine and all V8 auto trans also got a Super Turbine, neither of which used the Prop Shaft with the rubber torsional dampeners.

I also checked the '65 Cutlass Assembly Guide.

It also used the 5679502 in '65, all models with M33 (the Olds Jetaway Auto Trans) EXCEPT for the Extended Station Wagon (a model Pontiac did NOT offer). The 442 auto trans was the M32 Special Duty Jetaway, it used its own specific Prop Shaft.

Curiously, the '65 Cutlass chart also shows the 5679502 color stripes as 1 Green, 1 Yellow. So either the color stripe code changed from early '64 as listed by the '64 Tempest Inspector's Guide, or else the Guide got it wrong and the 5679502 was always 1 Green, 1 Yellow.

Fortunately, the GTO was always V8 so don't have to worry about the 5679502 Prop Shaft.

I checked my own '64 Prop Shaft for evidence of stripes. Assuming it is original, mine was installed at Fremont about a month before Brody's.

It is pretty clean, not at all rust pitted, having lived the bulk of its life in a dry Boise, Idaho climate. Unfortunately, I could not detect any color stripes at either end of the Shaft.

[War eagle]

My 66 Pontiac MPC dated 8-1-66 does NOT show the 502 in grp 5.544.
Actually the stripe colors ARE shown for the 66 502 Cutlass---in the 1966 Cutlass Inspectors Guide. Just Google it!!!

[John V.]

Originally Posted by War eagle

My 66 Pontiac MPC dated 8-1-66 does NOT show the 502 in grp 5.544.
Actually the stripe colors ARE shown for the 66 502 Cutlass---in the 1966 Cutlass Inspectors Guide. Just Google it!!!

Interesting, my '66 Parts Catalog is dated Oct. 1, 1965.

Is 8-1-66 the page revision date? Otherwise, that sounds more like a date for the '67 Parts Catalog.

Only other thing I can think to add, mine has two sections labeled as Gr. 5.544. The '64 p/ns are in the first section. I think the 2nd Gr. 5.544 section covers stuff for the '61-'63 Tempest.

Otherwise, sounds like the '64 5679502 may have been obsoleted and superseded by 8-1-66. Which wouldn't be too big a surprise either since usage of the 5679502 would have been pretty limited at PMD in '64.

I have no doubt the stripe colors for the 5679502 can be found in the '66 Cutlass Inspector's Guide. I took your word for that, didn't question it.

As I mentioned, I found the same stripe colors as you posted for the 5679502 in the '65 Cutlass Assembly Guide. That meant (to me) that as early as the '65 Model Year, the 5679502 stripe colors were Green/Yellow, corroborating what you found for it for '66.

That is why I suggested the stripe colors listed in the Dec '63 printing of the '64 Tempest Inspector's Guide for the 5679502 are either wrong or the stripe colors for it changed after Dec. '63.

I'm not sure which I am more inclined to believe but it is certainly possible that the stripes were Green/Yellow for the '64 Tempest 5679502 and not the Green/Orange that is identified in the '64 Tempest Inspector's Guide.

As I pointed out, knowing the stripe colors used for the '64 Tempest 6 cyl when equipped with the alternate Power Glide auto trans is of very little interest.

But I think that knowing the stripe colors used on the '64 GTO driveshaft is useful.

In the other thread, rohrt reported he found a Yellow Stripe and also a 2nd stripe that looked pink to him. My bet is, the "pink" stripe was really a lavender type Purple. And evidence that at least as of Dec. '63, the '64 GTO Prop Shaft was correctly identified in the '64 Inspector's Guide as being color coded Yellow/Purple.

Since running changes happened frequently enough, there is no way for me to know if PMD revised the Prop Shaft for the '64 synchromesh cars later in the year to the same Prop Shaft they used for the '65 synchromesh cars (Red/White stripes).

But I think we have at least advanced the knowledge base a bit when it comes to the '64 GTO Prop Shaft and the stripe coding used.

[War eagle]

Agree. The cover page of the MPC says effective Oct 1st,1966. The page is revised 8-1-66. This huge thing has no 67 references.