[NEW64OWNER]

Just for conversation sake, what late model Pontiacs do you think may be future collectibles. Say 1987 up to the end of Pontiac

[72projectbird]

89 Turbo TA
99 30th Anniversary TA
02 CETA


One could make a case for the G8 and the Solstice.

[shawn e.]

94 pace car and Solstice GXP!

[PontiacJim1959]

I don't see many of these cars as collectibles in 20 years.

First, everyone is assuming there will be gas to run them - not sure we will with all the regulatory expectations in the elimination of gasoline as we know it. No doubt you can alter the engine IF some form of pump gas is available. So if you have to convert the engine over to an E-85- propane, CNG, or electric, will people be willing to do this and how will it affect value, let alone originality and the car's collectible status?

Get ready for Carbon Credits. No guess on how this will work, either on the fuel or the car itself. This will most likely discourage people from buying these older cars and driving them. I am sure it will be a sliding scale with the guys who have modified gas engines getting horrible gas mileage and pumping excess carbon and other poisonous gasses into the atmosphere paying the most.

Parts sources. Many of these cars are made with a ton of plastic, rubber hoses, sensors, and computers. They deteriorate just setting about from humidity/moisture unless those who purchase them as investments plan on putting them into climate controlled storage lockers, warehouses, or other means. Will the restoration supply industry come up with all the parts needed to rebuild/restore such a car when some items will be specific to the make/model/year and justifying a short run may leave the rebuilder/restorer having to improvise or hope to find NOS. Will the aftermarket industry also be penalized by carbon credits when producing and offering those items that contribute to atmosphere pollutants like radical cams, big carbs, high compression pistons, exhaust systems, etc.?

With the trend to install an LS motor & OD transmission and electronics into everything because HP & laptop adjustability (with turbo's making a comeback) is king with the up and coming collector/car enthusiast generation, will anyone care if the driveline is original and will it actually hurt resale value?

Nope, I don't see the speculation in choosing what future cars will be collectables as I think 20-30 years from now the world will be a completely different place with computerized & self driven cars where you can just sit back and ride, watch a movie, get on the internet, chat with anyone around the world and not have to deal with the worries of actually sitting behind a steering wheel and using your brain to make decisions which control the car within the busy lanes of everyday traffic. And for those who insist on manually driving their cars, insurance rates will sky rocket due to the liabilities of doing such.

[Chief of the 60's]

Originally Posted by PontiacJim1959

I don't see many of these cars as collectibles in 20 years.

First, everyone is assuming there will be gas to run them - not sure we will with all the regulatory expectations in the elimination of gasoline as we know it. No doubt you can alter the engine IF some form of pump gas is available. So if you have to convert the engine over to an E-85- propane, CNG, or electric, will people be willing to do this and how will it affect value, let alone originality and the car's collectible status?

Get ready for Carbon Credits. No guess on how this will work, either on the fuel or the car itself. This will most likely discourage people from buying these older cars and driving them. I am sure it will be a sliding scale with the guys who have modified gas engines getting horrible gas mileage and pumping excess carbon and other poisonous gasses into the atmosphere paying the most.

Parts sources. Many of these cars are made with a ton of plastic, rubber hoses, sensors, and computers. They deteriorate just setting about from humidity/moisture unless those who purchase them as investments plan on putting them into climate controlled storage lockers, warehouses, or other means. Will the restoration supply industry come up with all the parts needed to rebuild/restore such a car when some items will be specific to the make/model/year and justifying a short run may leave the rebuilder/restorer having to improvise or hope to find NOS. Will the aftermarket industry also be penalized by carbon credits when producing and offering those items that contribute to atmosphere pollutants like radical cams, big carbs, high compression pistons, exhaust systems, etc.?

With the trend to install an LS motor & OD transmission and electronics into everything because HP & laptop adjustability (with turbo's making a comeback) is king with the up and coming collector/car enthusiast generation, will anyone care if the driveline is original and will it actually hurt resale value?

Nope, I don't see the speculation in choosing what future cars will be collectables as I think 20-30 years from now the world will be a completely different place with computerized & self driven cars where you can just sit back and ride, watch a movie, get on the internet, chat with anyone around the world and not have to deal with the worries of actually sitting behind a steering wheel and using your brain to make decisions which control the car within the busy lanes of everyday traffic. And for those who insist on manually driving their cars, insurance rates will sky rocket due to the liabilities of doing such.

Jim...…

A Fiero just sold for 90 grand > https://www.hagerty.com/media/auctio...-record-90000/

Kinda takes a little steam out of all that typing you just did in your post.

[PontiacJim1959]

Originally Posted by Chief of the 60's

Jim...…

A Fiero just sold for 90 grand > https://www.hagerty.com/media/auctio...-record-90000/

Kinda takes a little steam out of all that typing you just did in your post.

No, not really. I guess you didn't get the gist of the post - which is future investments. How does a "today" sale equate to one 20-30 years from now? I guess it takes a little steam out of your smirk.

Some people have more money than brains. Ever been to the NPT Car Museum in Newport, Rhode Island? It has approx. 75 cars in it. They are all privately owned by assorted persons. These investors buy the high dollar, mostly foreign exotics and rare restored/original American cars, and then put them into a"museum" where they make money on entrance fees, and no doubt use the cars for tax right-offs. They do not drive them, thus the museum & display set-up. To drive them would lose their value. That is where a car like that will go, not driven on the road racking up miles.

You should visit the museum, it's a good one and then you will better understand - the last produced Ford Pinto might pull 90K to some nut who sees it as an investment if it existed. To say that it will be a good pick 20-30 years from now is speculation and trying to predict the future markets. I would not give you a dime for the last built 0-mileage Ford Pinto anymore than I would throw 90K for a dud of a car, the Fiero - I remember them new and they were a horrible design and few wanted one. They were associated with engine fires and cars burning to the ground - but I guess you would not be aware of that 30 plus years later if you were not around when they were new.

How do you feel about a low production 0- mileage Pontiac 1000 with the rare optional sport package? - The Pontiac 1000 Sport Package was offered for a little more fun behind the wheel, equipping black sport sideview mirrors, unique front and rear shock valving, a larger front stabilizer bar, an added rear stabilizer bar, cast aluminum wheels, a black rear spoiler, and sport stripes down the flanks.

Now there would be a real 90K investment in today's market that would only increase in value 20-30 years from now.

[Half-Inch Stud]

Solstice with the PY AMES 67 GTO Metal Grill Repop.

[b-man]

[NEW64OWNER]

Originally Posted by b-man

What year and model is that

[b-man]

Originally Posted by NEW64OWNER

What year and model is that

It’s a 2002 WS6 Convertible T/A with a 4L60E overdrive automatic transmission.

Every WS6 came equipped with Ram Air.

[1965gp]

4th Gen Ram Air cars
GTA Trans Am 87-92
Formula with correct options 87-92
89 20th anniversary
94 25th anniversary
99 30th anniversary
Firehawk
G8 GT (especially GXP)
Solstice (especially GXP)
GTP Grand Prix
04-06 GTO (especially 06)

We started collecting these cars in about 2002 and have quite a few of the late 80’s to 00’s cars.

[indymanjoe]

it will be what ever some kid had as his/her first Pontiac.40 yrs later looking to reconnect. All of the above and more.

[carbking]

Originally Posted by indymanjoe

it will be what ever some kid had as his/her first Pontiac.40 yrs later looking to reconnect. All of the above and more.

If it like it has been for the last 40 years, it will be the luxury or performance model of the kid's first Pontiac.

The kid that in 1964 had a 6 cylinder Tempest today restores a 1964 GTO, Same is true with other makes. The kid with the 6 cylinder or base V-8 Mustang restores a Boss of the same year.

Jon.

[indymanjoe]

Originally Posted by carbking

If it like it has been for the last 40 years, it will be the luxury or performance model of the kid's first Pontiac.

The kid that in 1964 had a 6 cylinder Tempest today restores a 1964 GTO, Same is true with other makes. The kid with the 6 cylinder or base V-8 Mustang restores a Boss of the same year.

Jon.

Exactly. and the Bonneville 3800 SC as mentioned above is a great car properly equipped. I miss our 05 Grand Prix Gt. Fast fun car to drive. The G8's will be in this group as well. For a kid that had a G6 LOL

[Chief of the 60's]

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[thews]

Originally Posted by Chief of the 60's

I absolutely love the hardtop Solstice. While it lacks the mystique of the musclecar era, it looks very cool.