#1  
Old 07-01-2021, 02:46 AM
JPN_GP JPN_GP is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2021
Location: Washington State
Posts: 22
Default 1967 Grand Prix Project

Since I've started doing work on my 1967 GP I figured it's time to create a thread as a way of looking back on progress.

Some backstory on the car:

A friend of mine spotted this car in a Pick N Pull in Lynnwood, and brought the car to my attention. I am a fan of the 60s GM cars so I was intrigued enough to go look as it, although at the time I wasn't planning on buying it. After looking over the car and talking with a manager of the yard I found that if the car wasn't sold by the end of the month, they were going to crush the car unless a buyer came forward. Even though the car was rough, it didn't deserve to be crushed so the yard made an offer to sell me the car for $900 if I came the next day. I came back the next day with $900 and I became the proud owner of a 1967 Pontiac Grand Prix. My short term plan at the moment is to get the car drivable, and when time comes available I'd like to tackle the rusty bodywork. It'll be a long project but I've come to grow a fondness for this car, so I hope to see it through to the end.

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_20200820_130507.jpg
Views:	567
Size:	94.9 KB
ID:	569048

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_20200820_130514.jpg
Views:	227
Size:	90.4 KB
ID:	569049

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_20200820_130533.jpg
Views:	235
Size:	98.4 KB
ID:	569050

  #2  
Old 07-01-2021, 02:57 AM
JPN_GP JPN_GP is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2021
Location: Washington State
Posts: 22
Default

As of now I've been working on getting the brakes functional and safe so that the car is able to be putted around if needed in between projects. All was going good, until I went to disconnect the fitting at the brake hoses (which were dry rotted of course), and 2 of them ended up being rounded off and seized to which I had to resort to using a pair of Vice Grips to remove the hoses. I was expecting to have to replace the brakes lines anyway, but at this point should I only worry about the damaged lines or should I replace all of them?

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_20210629_171804.jpg
Views:	208
Size:	64.2 KB
ID:	569051

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_20210629_153424.jpg
Views:	209
Size:	29.2 KB
ID:	569052

  #3  
Old 07-01-2021, 03:26 AM
OZZIEVILLE 67 2 door's Avatar
OZZIEVILLE 67 2 door OZZIEVILLE 67 2 door is offline
Senior Chief
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Australia,byron bay
Posts: 421
Default

I'm in to follow the progress, love them 67's

Sent from my SM-T585 using Tapatalk

__________________
  #4  
Old 07-01-2021, 10:48 AM
Ben M.'s Avatar
Ben M. Ben M. is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 2,796
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JPN_GP View Post
I was expecting to have to replace the brakes lines anyway, but at this point should I only worry about the damaged lines or should I replace all of them?
If the other metal lines are not in bad shape (not rounded off, no rust inside or obvious weakening) then you can likely get away with just reusing what you have and replacing the failed ones. I do this on driver cars that I either need right away or the cars have been running recently enough that I'm not dealing with 10+ year old residue and nasty brake fluid - I also admit to re-using rounded off heads in a pinch too. If you're doing a more thorough restoration to get such a car running for the first time after a long time of sitting\questionable storage, there's no reason not to replace them all. Especially if the one that failed looks in bad shape besides the rounded off fitting.

Rubber hoses always get replaced in my book, too cheap to not and they'll hose you (get it!?!?!) when you least expect it.

The Following User Says Thank You to Ben M. For This Useful Post:
  #5  
Old 07-01-2021, 11:27 AM
padgett's Avatar
padgett padgett is offline
Senior Chief
 
Join Date: May 2021
Posts: 467
Default

BTW if you have drum brakes all around, the Pontiac 8 lugs stop very well and are a bolt-on option. 67 had the late flat hubcap.


__________________
Orlando - Where rust must be imported.
Web Site


The Following User Says Thank You to padgett For This Useful Post:
  #6  
Old 07-01-2021, 03:03 PM
JPN_GP JPN_GP is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2021
Location: Washington State
Posts: 22
Default

Thanks Ben, at this point the goal is to get the car movable so I think I should be able to get away with reusing the undamaged lines. Ultimately they will all be replaced but for now it should be fine. Hoses of course will be replaced, I don't trust 50 year old rubber any day of the week.

Padgett, I've heard about the 8 lugs and I do like the sound of them. At this point I don't know if I want to keep the car completely stock or if I want to enhance the car while keeping a period look. Speaking of brake drums, it looks like someone replaced 3 of them and left an original brake drum. I'll have to get a picture, there looks to be junkyard writing on one of the drums that says 68 Catalina I believe, but 3 of the drums definitely look out of place.

  #7  
Old 07-01-2021, 03:16 PM
JPN_GP JPN_GP is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2021
Location: Washington State
Posts: 22
Default

Here are pictures of those brake drums that don't match. I only took one picture of the rear because the passenger side is the same. The drivers side front is what I would think a stock 67 drum looks like, but I'm still learning about the Pontiacs. Let me know what you think, ultimately they should be usable for getting the car mobile but would be replaced at a further date.

Driver Side
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_20210701_120558.jpg
Views:	208
Size:	43.1 KB
ID:	569070

Passenger Side
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_20210701_120631.jpg
Views:	193
Size:	53.0 KB
ID:	569071

Rear
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_20210701_120654.jpg
Views:	178
Size:	49.8 KB
ID:	569072

  #8  
Old 07-01-2021, 04:02 PM
Ben M.'s Avatar
Ben M. Ben M. is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 2,796
Default

I've seen both varieties on my cars. Factory or not? Who knows, it's been +50 years and most cars have led a hard life. I do have good photos of a mostly original very low mileage '67 wagon with HD drums that someone here bought and posted that I keep as reference.

  #9  
Old 07-01-2021, 05:02 PM
ZeGermanHam's Avatar
ZeGermanHam ZeGermanHam is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 1,924
Default

Cool project! I love the look of the '67 GPs.

Also, hello fellow Washingtonian! Hope to see your GP on the road eventually.

__________________

1966 Pontiac GTO (restoration thread)
1998 BMW 328is (track rat)
2023 Subaru Crosstrek Limited (daily)
View my photos: Caught in the Wild
  #10  
Old 07-01-2021, 08:17 PM
JPN_GP JPN_GP is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2021
Location: Washington State
Posts: 22
Default

Ben do you have a link to those photos? In my case it would be confirming what I've got, it does bug me that one of the drums is different from the others. At least I should be able to use them for the time being.

  #11  
Old 07-01-2021, 08:26 PM
JPN_GP JPN_GP is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2021
Location: Washington State
Posts: 22
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeGermanHam View Post
Cool project! I love the look of the '67 GPs.

Also, hello fellow Washingtonian! Hope to see your GP on the road eventually.
Good to see another person from Washington! I know it'll be a long time until the car is complete but my Dad is just as keen as I am to get the car back on the road, I'll do my best to post updates as they come.

  #12  
Old 07-01-2021, 09:11 PM
Mark Simiele's Avatar
Mark Simiele Mark Simiele is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Fairfield County, CT
Posts: 1,982
Default

The body panels look fairly solid in the photos.

__________________
69 GTO convertible Warwick blue w/parchment, 400 4bbl auto trans, #'s matching, frame off resto w/ 36 options and more coming.

67 Bonneville 428 convertible one of one Verdoro green w/parchment, documented GM brass hat parade car with every option for 67, non running MAJOR future project.
  #13  
Old 07-02-2021, 02:04 AM
JPN_GP JPN_GP is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2021
Location: Washington State
Posts: 22
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Simiele View Post
The body panels look fairly solid in the photos.
I can't complain, although on a few areas of the car I've found evidence of shoddy bodywork. I'm hoping I don't find more damage lurking underneath everything but overall the car appears to be solid. The car has been on the west coast as far as I can tell, it started life in California and then made its way up to Washington state which explains why the car hasn't completely disintegrated yet.

  #14  
Old 07-02-2021, 05:37 PM
4zpeed's Avatar
4zpeed 4zpeed is offline
Chief Ponti-yacker
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Hills of WV
Posts: 662
Default

Hey Johnny! I expected to see your build in the 69-77 Grand Prix TECH section, they might move it for you if you wish but this works.

I see your getting busy with drivability in mind, investigating the odd things, they all seem to have them after a life of general use.

Lots of friendly, knowledgeable and helpful folks here to help, I also noticed your dad has interest in the car as well, very cool.



Frank

__________________
Poncho Huggen, Gear Snatchen, Posi Piro.
The Following User Says Thank You to 4zpeed For This Useful Post:
  #15  
Old 07-02-2021, 08:32 PM
Ben M.'s Avatar
Ben M. Ben M. is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 2,796
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4zpeed View Post
Hey Johnny! I expected to see your build in the 69-77 Grand Prix TECH section, they might move it for you if you wish but this works.
'69+ Grand Prixs are essentially A-bodies. The '68 and earlier Grand Prixs are B-bodies and loads of things are very different between the two. Just watch any time people who don't know big cars start spouting off on how to do disc brake conversions on any pre-1971 big car. You find out who has actually worked on one real quick...

  #16  
Old 07-02-2021, 10:36 PM
4zpeed's Avatar
4zpeed 4zpeed is offline
Chief Ponti-yacker
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Hills of WV
Posts: 662
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben M. View Post
'69+ Grand Prixs are essentially A-bodies. The '68 and earlier Grand Prixs are B-bodies and loads of things are very different between the two. Just watch any time people who don't know big cars start spouting off on how to do disc brake conversions on any pre-1971 big car. You find out who has actually worked on one real quick...
Whoops! my bad, I don't know what I was thinkin. I absolutely knew he had a 67, we spoke in the Lobby. Thanks Ben, I'm glad he's in good hands.

I almost bought a Black 69 or 70 when I was 25. Always been a big fan of GP's, performance complimented by luxury all in one nice package.

I'm pretty jealous of him actually, come on man, $900.00? Last time I bought a car for that it took me 3 trips to get it home and still got less...






Frank

__________________
Poncho Huggen, Gear Snatchen, Posi Piro.
The Following User Says Thank You to 4zpeed For This Useful Post:
  #17  
Old 07-03-2021, 01:19 AM
JPN_GP JPN_GP is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2021
Location: Washington State
Posts: 22
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4zpeed View Post
Hey Johnny! I expected to see your build in the 69-77 Grand Prix TECH section, they might move it for you if you wish but this works.

I see your getting busy with drivability in mind, investigating the odd things, they all seem to have them after a life of general use.

Lots of friendly, knowledgeable and helpful folks here to help, I also noticed your dad has interest in the car as well, very cool.



Frank
Thanks Frank! I figured this area would be the best since it's a B-Body, Ben and other members have been very helpful with steering me in the right direction.

  #18  
Old 07-04-2021, 12:17 AM
JPN_GP JPN_GP is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2021
Location: Washington State
Posts: 22
Default

Chipped away on the GP today, got some minor things done. The front brakes are assembled with new wheel cylinders and new hoses, I opted to use what I have for the time being to get the car mobile. Within the next couple days I'll work on the rear brakes with the same treatment and then turn my attention to replacing the damaged brake lines. I think what I'm going to do is bend some lines to suit instead of ordering a pre-bent kit, especially since shipping from Ames will take quite a while.

Also is there a better way to add pictures? I'd like to add larger pictures to the text if I can but using the attachments works fine for now.

Drivers Side
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_20210703_140838.jpg
Views:	510
Size:	51.1 KB
ID:	569190
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_20210703_154631.jpg
Views:	545
Size:	66.4 KB
ID:	569191
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_20210703_172825.jpg
Views:	520
Size:	47.1 KB
ID:	569192

Passenger Side
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_20210703_193707.jpg
Views:	490
Size:	57.5 KB
ID:	569193
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_20210703_200920.jpg
Views:	488
Size:	71.8 KB
ID:	569194

  #19  
Old 07-05-2021, 06:05 AM
4zpeed's Avatar
4zpeed 4zpeed is offline
Chief Ponti-yacker
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Hills of WV
Posts: 662
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JPN_GP View Post
Also is there a better way to add pictures? I'd like to add larger pictures to the text if I can but using the attachments works fine for now.
If you utilize a website to store pictures or want to post a picture from the net open it in a new window, copy and past the image address using the Insert Image tab.

1st, click in the text box where you want the image to appear, click the Insert Image tab and you will see http://, delete that, paste the web address contents there, hit ok.

If your uploading from your phone or laptop then you likely need to use the attachment tab, you can still enlarge your own pictures by opening them in a new window.

After you have attached them hit preview, now click on the pic, it will open, click it again, it will open in a new window, copy that address and use the Insert Image tab.

Maybe someone is a bit more savvy and knows a better way,
unfortunately that is the extent of my skills, hope this helps.

Drivers Side






Passenger Side






Frank

__________________
Poncho Huggen, Gear Snatchen, Posi Piro.
The Following User Says Thank You to 4zpeed For This Useful Post:
  #20  
Old 07-05-2021, 04:40 PM
JPN_GP JPN_GP is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2021
Location: Washington State
Posts: 22
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4zpeed View Post
Maybe someone is a bit more savvy and knows a better way,
unfortunately that is the extent of my skills, hope this helps.



Frank
Thanks Frank, I'll give that I whirl when I've got some new pictures to add.

Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:58 AM.

 

About Us

The PY Online Forums is the largest online gathering of Pontiac enthusiasts anywhere in the world. Founded in 1991, it was also the first online forum for people to gather and talk about their Pontiacs. Since then, it has become the mecca of Pontiac technical data and knowledge that no other place can surpass.

 




Copyright © 2017