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Which American company did you give your money to? I thought you bought your e-heads second hand?
I have some KRE High Ports also, bought new from KRE.
America baby.
I would not trust a valve or a seat made in CHINA on my engine. Let alone the machine work installing the seat. Or the springs for that matter.
Might want to put a small flashlight under a Speedmaster seat and see if you can see some light.

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Hope this works this time

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OK here is the two dyno sheets, Read them and weep LOL

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[QUOTE=ponjohn;6261087]What is the whole combo?[/QUOT

OK-Stock valves new springs by Pac $275.00 at the time.
Allum rods fro a member here with bearings .040 SRP pistons
From a member here and rings and installer, Thanks guy's for
The rods and pistons. Polished factory N-crank, Solid roller cam
From another member here on the PY 638 lift 275-279 dur@50
Wensler tunnel-ram with two carter 750's MSD-ignition 34 degrees
Total timing.11:37:1 comp, Deep sump pan with a 60-pound pump
Double Roller chain+gears. I ported the heads myself, I spent two day's
On them. There is still a lot more in the heads to make more power.
Maybe later.

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Sorry , Both are blurry.

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What is the whole combo?[/QUOT

OK-Stock valves new springs by Pac $275.00 at the time.
Allum rods fro a member here with bearings .040 SRP pistons
From a member here and rings and installer, Thanks guy's for
The rods and pistons. Polished factory N-crank, Solid roller cam
From another member here on the PY 638 lift 275-279 dur@50
Wensler tunnel-ram with two carter 750's MSD-ignition 34 degrees
Total timing.11:37:1 comp, Deep sump pan with a 60-pound pump
Double Roller chain+gears. I ported the heads myself, I spent two day's
On them. There is still a lot more in the heads to make more power.
Maybe later.

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The E-Heads I bought new 2.19x5.3ish 1.77x5.245 I think.Fearra valves.
New Pac springs also around $275.00 plus the $1407 for the heads and
It was a $1000.00 for the porting Longer rocker studs I had the titaniam
Retainers
, Ross pistons pins and rings already had, Eagle Rods from PY member
Turned N-crank Victor intake with 1050 Dom and carb spacer. 83-91 jets
Solid Roller cam and lifters, Cam from a guy at Norwalk 626 lift 274-279dur
@50 60-pound oil pump with deep sump pan 12:98:1 comp.
Both motors have MSD distributors and same 2-inch headers 3.1/2 colecter
I believe thats it other tenn the total prices.

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Sorry , Both are blurry.
I'll see if I can take some better ones

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I almost forgot my buddy dynoed his motor the same day I did mine
His made 626 HP and 580 torqe, 13:03:1 comp E-85 and a vacume pump.
Hyd roller Hyd roller lifters 610 lift 264-266 dur@50 400 block 425 stroke
Crank the cheaper eagle rods Good file fit moly rings pistons look SRP
Pistons can't remember name, His heads flow 318 CFM and they are the
Speedmaster heads also, Stock valves MSD also. I get his dyno sheet on
Here to when I take to him He run's a victor and 4150 style carb.

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Should be able to see better this time.

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Both combos should be making more power. Mismatched parts. Cams are too big for what you get back. Not a good test, does not prove anything other than less money.
Need higher end efforts to get a good idea of their potential.
Sorry.

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Im kinda of a made in the USA guy..........!


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Both combos should be making more power. Mismatched parts. Cams are too big for what you get back. Not a good test, does not prove anything other than less money.
Need higher end efforts to get a good idea of their potential.
Sorry.

More power from 300cfm?

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Both combos should be making more power. Mismatched parts. Cams are too big for what you get back. Not a good test, does not prove anything other than less money.
Need higher end efforts to get a good idea of their potential.
Sorry.
I am not sure why you feel the need to tell everyone how bad their combo is and how they should be making more power.
He is just posting the results, not asking for opinions.

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I am not sure why you feel the need to tell everyone how bad their combo is and how they should be making more power.
He is just posting the results, not asking for opinions.

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I am not sure why you feel the need to tell everyone how bad their combo is and how they should be making more power.
He is just posting the results, not asking for opinions.

+1 Mike. Blueghoast thanks for taking the time to post your info. I, for one, appreciate it!

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I am not sure why you feel the need to tell everyone how bad their combo is and how they should be making more power.
He is just posting the results, not asking for opinions.
I agree. Someone asked for results with SM heads. He didn’t ask for opinions.

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I am not sure why you feel the need to tell everyone how bad their combo is and how they should be making more power.
He is just posting the results, not asking for opinions.
I agree with this...I wish I was more familiar with who is who on this site...That would make it easier to know what their opinion is worth.

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Both combos should be making more power. Mismatched parts. Cams are too big for what you get back. Not a good test, does not prove anything other than less money.
Need higher end efforts to get a good idea of their potential.
Sorry.
Not to be a smart ass, But---Lets see some of your motors out there
On pump gas hauling doing Drag Week hauling a trailer with all your
Goodies driving a thousand mile's a week and make it trough it all.
Yes with more porting and better intakes (mine are off the shelf)
And better carbs and maybe more cubic inch's, But both of these
Motors were built with used parts good part mind ya but still used.
Lets see what kind of power you can make. Since I've dynoed a
Couple motors I know it's not that easy to make 600+ HP.
Show us your dyno sheet when you do your motor and we;ll evaluate
The power you make and I will applaud or I will ride your ASS LOL

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I agree Mike. Blueghoast thanks for taking the time to post your info. I, for one, appreciate it! And it is their project and just sharing the results.

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Not to be a smart ass, But---Lets see some of your motors out there
On pump gas hauling doing Drag Week hauling a trailer with all your
Goodies driving a thousand mile's a week and make it trough it all.
Yes with more porting and better intakes (mine are off the shelf)
And better carbs and maybe more cubic inch's, But both of these
Motors were built with used parts good part mind ya but still used.
Lets see what kind of power you can make. Since I've dynoed a
Couple motors I know it's not that easy to make 600+ HP.
Show us your dyno sheet when you do your motor and we;ll evaluate
The power you make and I will applaud or I will ride your ASS LOL

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Its OK to be a smart ass, I know how I come off sometimes. Some have a problem with me giving a opinion and that's fine. My point is you gave your opinion too. Yes you did base it on a build you have done. Your build is admittedly not a high end build, some used parts. Nothing wrong with that.

Thing is, if you can not make 600+ HP on pump gas(E85, 13-1, not really) .264 roller cam with 318cfm heads something is wrong. I mean, its going to unless the cam is 8 deg retarded.(buddys engine)
Your engine has two fours on a tunnel, 1400 cfm of carb with a .275 @ .050 cam and 11.37-1 CR. Its simply going to make 600+ HP unless something is very wrong. You did port them yourself, saving money.
Nothing wrong at all with the power you are making. Just not a high end enough build to give a strong "opinion" as to these Chinese heads are better than our USA Edelbrocks.
The 461 I am building at this moment will not see a pump. It will see weight, ET and MPH and go from there. No used parts, well thought out Sparred little expense. Cam I am using made 815 and 865 HP on pump gas 535 and 505 engines. And will post what it does when ironed out and folks can say what they want no problem.
To me I would need to see a "wow" engine before I would think those Speedmasters are any better. Have not yet I need that before I throw my country under the bus on this.

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Which American company did you give your money to? I thought you bought your e-heads second hand?
I think its safe to say no Speedmaster head will ever flow more and make more NA power than those E heads.
Unless someone wants to go through the time and expense of welding them up and re drilling pushrod holes. The Ti valves (can SM take 2.25 ") the epoxy, the max effort. Not happening.
Maybe I am wrong but I doubt we will ever see a Barton, Marcella or Gabby Speedmaster max effort head. I would trust their opinions on how much power, how good those heads are.

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