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Are all the procar seats based on the ralley seat or is there in that’s based on the better seat w the visions to match? Thinking of doing these in my daily driver convertible .

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No, there are different frames used. The 'Elite' seats certainly are not the same frame.

Funny this came back up, I just sold my recaros! Couple reasons, finding covers for them is not easy, and having some made is flat expensive, since there are so many pieces. Each individual item on the seat has a different cover, and it has 10 pieces/covers.

I had extra covers I sourced in the early 90s, but they were also dark brown, and wanted to go black. The material is not 'cloth', it's a type of flame resistant material that's a hybrid, more like rayon, (plastic), and you can't use a regular 'cloth' dye on them. You have to use an interior panel dye, like SEM.

So I was looking at different seats, and wanted vinyl, to match better with the rear covers. I was in a toss up on the Procar Elite and the Corbeau GTS II.

Here's the Procar:

https://procarbyscat.com/product/elite/

This is a pic on the vendor's website. It looks like crap. And that's the pic they use on their' site, to promote the seat. It's like a pic of a Big Mac on the menu board, it never looks that good.

So, Corbeau GTS II it is for me:

https://corbeau.com/gts-ii/

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I’m in the market for seats as well and trying to decide if I want to pony up for Recaros

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Here's a couple pics of the Recaros I sold, and the covers. The seats are in great shape, the covers look loose, but they can easily be pulled tighter. You can even remove the covers and toss them in the washer on a gentle cycle, would clean right up.

You can see I had almost 2 full spare sets of covers, I only swapped out 2 items that were a little sun bleached, and wanted the seats to look good for the 1999 Power Tour.

After I sold them, I dug a little, and, the stuff is gold. I could have gotten so much more for them, and even the covers, they are high-desire items. Uhg. Well, it went to a good cause...

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It's a big pony. More like a Clydesdale! Heheh!

I think the ergo recliners are like 1600+ each. That's in cloth.

I was looking at the Speed V:

https://www.recaro-automotive.com/us...oduct-overview

I think they base at like $1400, without the bracket, which is like $140.

https://www.maperformance.com/produc...SABEgIpQPD_BwE

But wow they are nice, and as you can see, they are quality, and last a long time.


EDIT: The brackets are $345 each. Ouch.

If you do buy them, I have the set of brackets from my car, they are the same and have been for years.


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Oh, the sliders are another $145. On top of the brackets.




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A few years ago I tried a bunch of seats at Fesler here in town (Recaro, Corbeau, and I believe TMI and Procar), and unfortunately, the Recaro's felt the best. So I've been planning for Specialist M in cloth and getting them recovered in a pattern that evokes factory seat pattern. Though before I buy, I'm going to try them all again. But to rule out the Pygmalion effect, I'll wear a blindfold this time.

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I have some Recaros I bought in '79 I had in the 78 TA. Pulled them out when I started showing/racing NMCA put my originals back in. They do have a lot of panels. Pondering redoing mine in vinyl the match the factory seats in the rear. They sure are firmer and hold you better than factory seats.

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i must have missed this thread... i went with the procar rally seats in my 72 firebird like the ones posted earlier in the thread, they are very nice seats & the side bolsters hold you in & are very comfortable, probably the best bang for the buck compared to the prices of recaro & corbeu. the procar brackets do make them sit up a little high if youre a tall person. & they add to the price, so what i did is just made some metal straps to bolt across the bottom of the seat & then re-use the factory seat tracks, that way they sit like a factory seat & dont have to buy their tracks. i can post pics of the straps if anyone is interested.

another option if you want recaros is to find some of the ones GM & ford used in the early to mid 80's, GM started in 1981 in the pace car T/A's & used them in early 3rd gens too. the 1979 mustang pace car used them as well, each year had different style covers but were the same seat. the ones posted by HWYSTR look way to exaggerated & over stuffed to me, almost like van seats with the big side bolster sections, the recaros i mentioned are much slimmer & the side bolsters are one piece & much easier to recover.

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The KRX Recaros I had in my 71 T/A, they fit well, and had them in there since mid-80s.

They may look bulky, but each individual piece adjusts separately, like the side bolters, the top half of the seat, and the headrest.

You can shop the ones that came OE, but trust me when I say they are not cheap. Replacement foam pieces are even harder to find. Some limited aftermarket reproductions for the OE ones are available, but there again, not cheap.

Even though the OE ones are one piece, they are still not easy to make covers for.

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The KRX Recaros I had in my 71 T/A, they fit well, and had them in there since mid-80s.

They may look bulky, but each individual piece adjusts separately, like the side bolters, the top half of the seat, and the headrest.

You can shop the ones that came OE, but trust me when I say they are not cheap. Replacement foam pieces are even harder to find. Some limited aftermarket reproductions for the OE ones are available, but there again, not cheap.

Even though the OE ones are one piece, they are still not easy to make covers for.

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as with anything it all depends on where you find them & yes they are getting harder to find as time goes on, but i would not say most are overly expensive, the 81 pace car seats are probably the most expensive & hardest to find. but i have bought parts cars with these seats for less than $1000 in recent years & have seen the 3rd gen firebird seats quite often in decent shape for $250-$500/pr. & im sure it was a fluke but i also bought 2 pairs of the 79 mustang recaros recently in good condition for $200 & sold them for much less than they are worth im sure. have seen lots of 79 mustang parts cars in my area too for very reasonable prices. just wanted to mention them as an option.

for covering them, any reputable upholstery shop can make covers for reasonable prices & make new foam sections. ive seen quite a few of the pace car seats be recovered/repaired & even try to match the original red/black fabric, but its next to impossible to find a good match to that original material. ive seen them done in leather & cloth on the other seats as well that look very nice. reproduction foam & parts are available for many of the recaro seats too from a couple companies out there.

the big side bolsters just dont look right to me in the pics ive seen, theres even one style with power adjustment controls in the bottom bolsters, these seats must be from or intended for very big cars or even vans, they just seem out of place & too big for most muscle cars, but thats just my personal preference, im sure they are nice seats.

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The side bolsters are smaller than the ProCar Rally seats, and in the car they don't look big, but to each his own.

The bolsters are injected foam, you say those are available? Have a link?

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The covers are 9 individual pieces, maybe it's cheap to do the 2 piece ones, but I had quotes to do mine, and they were in the 1500 range for both.


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The side bolsters are smaller than the ProCar Rally seats, and in the car they don't look big, but to each his own.

The bolsters are injected foam, you say those are available? Have a link?

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yes bolsters are injection molded, most upholstery shops can get them in bulk sizes & cut to whats needed to repair or custom make seats. there are at least a couple companies that offer recaro parts for sale, i cant find the link i had to one of them but this is another company in the UK that many people use for foam & other parts for recaros. lots of guys on other forums for 3rd gen, 79 mustang & VW cars with these seats have used them. not sure if they have every part for every seat though. google also has lots of links to other forums where guys restore these seats.

https://www.capitalseating.co.uk/replacement-parts

based on the pics of your recaros the side bolsters look as big or bigger/more puffed out than the procar side bolsters & much bigger than the factory style recaros & being they are in sections with loose fabric just looks kinda off to me. but i agree, to each their own.

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Yeah, they don't make parts for seats that are more than 7 years old, unfortunately. If they did, I would probably have kept them.

I talked to 3 shops to repair/recover them, the one is a Euro/exotic specialty shop, and all said they can only do 'so well' with the bolster foams, they would never be like new. Luckily, the foams are not a problem. The 2 center ones they said they can easily make if need be.

I had them apart and went over all the parts, the only thing I would have changed were the covers, to black. Due to the type of material, even the shops said not to dye them, that it would over time just rub off, so I bailed on the idea.

The center covers are loose due to several plastic retaining clips were broken. I included 2 sets of new clips with the seats, and those are available still.

Yeah, it's just the pics are poor and the angle, if you would see them in person you would see the bolsters are not big. They fit perfectly in a 2nd gen f-body and look right at home. Would really like to have used them but just wasn't in the cards. They are super comfortable, and have tons of adjustment. Just a shame.


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I love mine they bolster you in, My old seats felt like I was sliding all over the car.


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Jeff are those supposed to be parchment? They look a lot darker than the door panels is that the case or is it optical illusion in the pictures.

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https://www.firebirdcentral.com/1969...p/int-2137.htm

So these are the touring II which suggests there’s a touring I ecklers has a discounted price on theirs and they are based on the ralley wondering if it’s the older style

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Jeff are those supposed to be parchment? They look a lot darker than the door panels is that the case or is it optical illusion in the pictures.
They are tanish. Not parchment. I do love them for comfort, and they keep me in the seat!

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They are tanish. Not parchment. I do love them for comfort, and they keep me in the seat!
But were they supposed to be parchment?

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But were they supposed to be parchment?
procars are only available in white or beige... no parchment.

https://procarbyscat.com/product/rally/

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