[nonnova]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Auto Worker can also be a Salaried Worker, Not just a Plant Worker.

Really? I didn't know that (sarcasm)

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

I very seriously doubt that Toyota spends it profits ONLY in the USA and Not Japan. Seriously Doubt that comment.

No S**t. I seriously Doubt that I was implying that. Or that Ford only spends it's profit in Mexico.....
"Billion-Dollar Deals, Different Directions: Ford Eyeing Mexico, Toyota Searching U.S."
http://www.siteselection.com/ssinsid...t/sf060629.htm

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

The Plant in Mexico is a very small part of the overall Ford Work Force.

The plant in Wixom WAS a very small part of the overall Ford Work Force.
How many plants does Ford have (or will build in the future) in Mexico and other countries?

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

"Ford’s Dearborn Truck Plant will resume maximum operation of three shifts in late September. While there are currently three separate crews at the plant, they work on a rotating basis. Each crew works for four weeks and is then on “layoff” for two weeks, said Ford spokeswoman Marcey Evans.

How come you conveniently forgot to include that little fact Nonnova???

All 2,800 employees @ full time and 900 people from Michigan’s weekly unemployment rolls.
Sounds like a very small part of the overall Ford work force and out of work American auto workers.
What about permanent lay offs? How come you conveniently forgot to include that little fact Tom.

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

If I am standing in the unemployment line, I AM NOT collecting a full paycheck by a long shot as a salaried worker.

And when I was on unemployment I didn't get my full paycheck as an hourly, non automotive worker either. What does that have to do with Ford opening a plant in Mexico?

[242177P]

Originally Posted by nonnova

Where does Ford (an American company) spend it's profit? Mexico...

Originally Posted by nonnova

Or that Ford only spends it's profit in Mexico.....

You paint an interesting picture, but your brush is awfully wide. They aren't spending, they're investing. You also make it sound like all of their profits are being sent south. When it comes to their investments, do you know what the actual percentage is? As for other countries, Ford does sell abroad. How about some sales figures?

I have to ask: do you (or did you) work for Ford?

[nonnova]

Originally Posted by 242177P

I have to ask: do you (or did you) work for Ford?

No I don't nor did I.

I'm not implying that Ford "spends" or "invests" all it's profits in Mexico.
My point is, everytime the discussion comes up about an American car company building a car or component in Mexico somebody says "at least the profit comes here".
When the discussion comes up about a Japanese car company building a car or component in America somebody says "but the profit goes to Japan".
I'm simply suggesting that these people who make these remarks ask one of the thousands of American auto workers that have lost their job due to a plant closing or "downsizing" if they care where the profit goes.
For that matter ask an American worker who works at a Japanese auto plant here in America if he feels guilty for getting a paycheck (that he spends in the U.S.) since the profit from his work goes to Japan.
I would rather have my fellow Americans working then care about where the profit goes.

[Goathead]

Whatever Ford is doing, they don't need my money to bail them out.........

[pierced mikey]

Originally Posted by nonnova

No I don't nor did I.

I'm not implying that Ford "spends" or "invests" all it's profits in Mexico.
My point is, everytime the discussion comes up about an American car company building a car or component in Mexico somebody says "at least the profit comes here".
When the discussion comes up about a Japanese car company building a car or component in America somebody says "but the profit goes to Japan".
I'm simply suggesting that these people who make these remarks ask one of the thousands of American auto workers that have lost their job due to a plant closing or "downsizing" if they care where the profit goes.
For that matter ask an American worker who works at a Japanese auto plant here in America if he feels guilty for getting a paycheck (that he spends in the U.S.) since the profit from his work goes to Japan.
I would rather have my fellow Americans working then care about where the profit goes.

That was my point as well...How much money did Ford spend to build the plant, buy the machinery(probably ship it from here to Mexico) etc to pay Juan $2/hour when they could have used an existing building that they probably own, retrofitted it for their needs(more American jobs) to pay U.S. workers to build the cars here. So the higher-ups need to make a little less cash to keep more Americans employed...oooh the horrors.

[Cobrabill]

The companion question to that is:How many times did the UAW harpoon Fords attempts at opening a MODERN robotic facility here in the states?

[455Grandville]

Originally Posted by Cobrabill

The companion question to that is:How many times did the UAW harpoon Fords attempts at opening a MODERN robotic facility here in the states?

Bill: I'm pro union to a certain extent, but some unions are their own worst enemy.

Originally Posted by pierced mikey

That was my point as well...How much money did Ford spend to build the plant, buy the machinery(probably ship it from here to Mexico) etc to pay Juan $2/hour when they could have used an existing building that they probably own, retrofitted it for their needs(more American jobs) to pay U.S. workers to build the cars here. So the higher-ups need to make a little less cash to keep more Americans employed...oooh the horrors.

Mike, I don't like seeing Americans out of work, but the fact is big business will do whatever it takes to save a buck. If they can pay Juan $2 and hour to do the same job as Ralph at $25 + hr + benefits, it's obvious what route they'll take.

[Ron]

IMO...the 6.0 and 6.4 Powerstroke engines are krap. I loved my 7.3 Powerstroke. I own a Dodge with the Cummins and love it but I also believe the Ford truck is a better truck than the Dodge. My fuel mileage is outstanding compared to my 7.3 Powerstroke. If I were to purchase a new diesel today it would be the Duramax....and the Allison transmission would be the cherry on sundae.

[Tom Vaught]

Quote:

"IMO...the 6.0 and 6.4 Powerstroke engines are krap. I loved my 7.3 Powerstroke. "

NO CHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bend over Ford, Here it comes! (:>(

The Ford 6.7 Diesel Engine hopeful will be as good as the 7.3 Power Stroke was and better F.E.

Tom Vaught

[Goathead]

Duramax....and the Allison transmission would be the cherry on sundae.

Ron, after my last four trucks being diesel Fords, I did get a Duramax GMC Sierra 2500, and it's a pulling fool, and quiet as well. But it is not near as comfortable inside a the Fords, IMO.

[SRR]

I've been thinking the perfect pick up truck would be to use the Ford chassis, the Allison 6 speed transmission and the Cummins engine. I personally don't like all that racket so I would use the Duramax engine without all that emission crap that kills the MPG and power.

[455Grandville]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Quote:

"IMO...the 6.0 and 6.4 Powerstroke engines are krap. I loved my 7.3 Powerstroke. "

NO CHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bend over Ford, Here it comes! (:>(

The Ford 6.7 Diesel Engine hopeful will be as good as the 7.3 Power Stroke was and better F.E.

Tom Vaught

Originally Posted by Ron

IMO...the 6.0 and 6.4 Powerstroke engines are krap. I loved my 7.3 Powerstroke. I own a Dodge with the Cummins and love it but I also believe the Ford truck is a better truck than the Dodge. My fuel mileage is outstanding compared to my 7.3 Powerstroke. If I were to purchase a new diesel today it would be the Duramax....and the Allison transmission would be the cherry on sundae.

The 6.4s are now officially POS ? I have not heard anything bad about them -

[Ron]

I have a number of friends that traded their high mileage 7.3 Powerstroke's in for the 6.4 and have had numerous turbo problems and oiling problems. Late last year I was at the Ford dealership to pick up a friend that was dropping off his 7.3. We commented how quiet the 6.4 was and asked the Service Writer about the truck....the reply was to stay away from the 6.4

Also all diesel pickup trucks took a huge fuel mileage hit in 2008 since they now are required to have smog. In some cases the fuel mileage has been cut in half...and they are sick that they traded in their older trucks for new trucks. Myself....my 7.3 had 257,000 and I got rid of it....bad decision as I could have purchased a new long block for around $7,000.00 and would still be driving a great truck with a great engine.

[Ron]

Ford as well as GM and others have had plants in Mexico for years and years. The Ford Crown Victoria is made in Mexico as well as engine blocks and transmissions. Same with GM.

[455Grandville]

Originally Posted by Ron

I have a number of friends that traded their high mileage 7.3 Powerstroke's in for the 6.4 and have had numerous turbo problems and oiling problems. Late last year I was at the Ford dealership to pick up a friend that was dropping off his 7.3. We commented how quiet the 6.4 was and asked the Service Writer about the truck....the reply was to stay away from the 6.4

Also all diesel pickup trucks took a huge fuel mileage hit in 2008 since they now are required to have smog. In some cases the fuel mileage has been cut in half...and they are sick that they traded in their older trucks for new trucks. Myself....my 7.3 had 257,000 and I got rid of it....bad decision as I could have purchased a new long block for around $7,000.00 and would still be driving a great truck with a great engine.

257,000 and it needed a new short block ?!?
Those 7.3s go longer then that in medium duty truck use ! I know of a 6.9 rollback F350 with a little over 500K on it; and the engine has never been apart -

[Ron]

No...no...no..it did not need a short block..it did not need anything. I sold it because a friend of mine was upside down in a '04 Dodge with the Cummins so I helped him out plus I got a Cummins with just over 75K for a very attractive price. The guy I sold it to still drives it and it now has 347K on it. My thought since I believe the Ford is the better of the two trucks is I should have kept the Ford and when the motor finally died put a rebuilt motor in it.