[Baron Von Zeppelin]

I don't think bkrug comes on here.
Don't know who he is in actual life , but think he is in Canada.
Has some cool cars and usually active on most Pontiacs on B@T .

['ol Pinion head]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Roger you are almost right , and I am almost wrong.

But the covers and door panels in that 70 are repops.

Just found a brown 71 deluxe door panel remnant I meant to throw away years ago.
Will post some close ups soon.
The real stuff is faker than I thought I remembered , but its not as fake as the pieces on this car.

Todd, the Black & Sandalwood colors of '70 Firebird DLX seat covers, at least for some period during the '70 production year, used the embossed "comfort weave". I have original early 2nd Gen upper door panels as well, in '70 Bright Blue, & from a '71 Esprit in BLACK. The '71's are Very nice, I have them noted as the same application as '70 models. Both sets exhibit REAL Comfortweave. Somewhere I nave have the BLACK upper door panels from the '70 Formula, have literally dozens of long flat boxes of original door panels.

Other ORIGINAL DLX Interior '68-71 Pontiac seat cover inserts. Have never ran across anything but REAL comfortweave.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Roger are you saying the seat covers and door panels are originals in this car
Or saying repop ?
I can't really tell what you're saying anymore. lol

Fixing to post those pics.
I have the back seat somewhere in the building too.

I'm saying repops

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

This is a door panel remnant removed from a crappy 71 Espirit removed in late 80's
Norwood car . Kind of a Carmel/Brown interior.
Genuine article.
Even the real stuff is fake.
But they really simulated the heck out of it as can be seen from even the backside pictures.
I can explode these real well on my tablet , hopefully they wont lose too much from PY compression on the uploads. Hopefully you guys can zoom in and see the details too.

Grain/weave shape and detail is different from subject car.
In the picture with a starburst looking deal , that is sun light coming through the perforations in the material when held up towards sun.
A couple different pics you can see sunlight holes in the shaded sections compared to non-shaded sections.

More to come ... takes a while on a tablet.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Others

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Couple more

['ol Pinion head]

Are these last few pics posted from Real comfortweave from a 71 DLX seat cover? Have a complete set boxed up from a '71 Esprit. The seat frames were SO nice am using them in my '72

[unruhjonny]

looks like the lower rubber boot was installed up side down, and cut with an enlarged opening… which pretty much renders the lower boot pointless.

[unruhjonny]

adding pictures of original 1970 comfortweave covers from my spare 1970 seats:
(since the covers are ripped open anyway, I can show both sides).

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

ALL the pics are from the same 71 door panel.

You can see some fragments of yarn/weave along the cut edges of the backside pictures.
Stuff seems to "maybe" be yarned fabric that is then "" dipped or coated "" in vinyl .

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Its as real as the shet can get . lol

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

The first black door panel picture is the subject car.
Not trying to cause confusion on comparison.

['ol Pinion head]

Looked @ subject BAT '70 pics. As we both noticed, has embossed insert fake comfortweave in the upper door panels, agree those gotta be repro's, the upper panels look too nice. most likely, the same with the seat covers.

In looking @ boxed original Bright Blue '70 Upper door panels I pulled decades ago, they are REAL Comfortweave. I only kept those uppers, IF NEEDED, to salvage the comfortweave inserts out of, as the upper vinyl near the chrome strip is in poor condition. Examining the '71 Esprit Black upper door panels, they are also REAL Comfortweave.

Original DLX BIRD seat covers.... found the boxed '71 Black Seat covers that I removed years ago. I was mistaken, they are originally embossed (fake comfort weave). The inserts are very close in appearance to the embossed fake comfort weave on the seats if the BAT '70 T/A. Still looking for the used '70 Sandalwood F-body covers. The last pair of Bright Blue '70 Bird buckets that I sold, I can't vouch for the inserts, been too long, do remember the original inserts had already had the funky greenish color shift to them.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

The owner had not claimed his interior to be real genuine OEM ,,,, until just a short a while ago, he did.
And that's okay , we already know he isn't at full speed on these cars.
Very few enthusiasts are anyway.
And what's in it , is as good as you're going to get off the shelf anywhere.

Think I have better glasses than some do. (maybe)

If the door panels and dash bezel needed replacing , how did the seat covers stay that new ?
The rear lower cushions shouldn't be that wrinkled either.
That stuff has been skinned.

I have the upper / lowers rear seat from same 71 brown interior.
They were good , I think I can get to them.

All I'm after really is my own benefit , and maybe some others on here.
We all need some fresh updates to our noodles once in a while.

Later down the road I might work my way into the passenger side of my 70 and get some pics of the black custom deluxe stuff in it. And report it back to this thread.
Complete Interior was swapped in early 80's from a mint Espirit that was hit hard in front.

Mine was a no console car with blue standard.
So will photo the shifter too.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

A guy out west , not too long ago , had the seats redone in an already restored 70 Silver Ram4 4spd Judge Convertible .
The modern day fake stuff didn't please their demanding tastes and eyes.
But nobody else was complaining about it.
He found correct black c-weave material and sent it to Legendary and had new covers made for it.

A guy on the east coast , not too long ago , bought a whole roll of bright blue c-weave material he feels is on the money.

So these things can be accomplished , but a price to pay going that way.
Then you gotta pay Legendary too

[Tellyshavilli]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

I don't think bkrug comes on here.
Don't know who he is in actual life , but think he is in Canada.
Has some cool cars and usually active on most Pontiacs on B@T .

I believe he’s the guy that bought the 71 Trans Am from Chris on PY here , not sure of his name but the car originally came from Ontario then went to Michigan then California now back to Ontario Canada

[Tellyshavilli]

Originally Posted by 'ol Pinion head

Looked @ subject BAT '70 pics. As we both noticed, has embossed insert fake comfortweave in the upper door panels, agree those gotta be repro's, the upper panels look too nice. most likely, the same with the seat covers.

In looking @ boxed original Bright Blue '70 Upper door panels I pulled decades ago, they are REAL Comfortweave. I only kept those uppers, IF NEEDED, to salvage the comfortweave inserts out of, as the upper vinyl near the chrome strip is in poor condition. Examining the '71 Esprit Black upper door panels, they are also REAL Comfortweave.

Original DLX BIRD seat covers.... found the boxed '71 Black Seat covers that I removed years ago. I was mistaken, they are originally embossed (fake comfort weave). The inserts are very close in appearance to the embossed fake comfort weave on the seats if the BAT '70 T/A. Still looking for the used '70 Sandalwood F-body covers. The last pair of Bright Blue '70 Bird buckets that I sold, I can't vouch for the inserts, been too long, do remember the original inserts had already had the funky greenish color shift to them.

Roger, have you and BVZ studied or referring to the heat stitch seems in the comfort wave material of the seats and compared IT to the actual stitched seam in the seats? On the original comfortweave seat lower sections I found the first seam is actually stitched with thread, and most of the other seams are heat stitched.
Comments ?

[Tellyshavilli]

Lower section front seat

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

You and Jonny need to take better definition pictures ! lol
Thanks Telly

Best i can tell - Looks like the same pattern/grain as my door panel pics.
Like small croissants in staggered rows
Weaved yarnage that is vinyl coated.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

And I see what you mean on the actual stitch and simulated stitch patterns.
Good eyes on that.
Might be harder to distinguish on black seats without real clear pictures.

The repops probably duplicate that feature.
I think the grain definition is going to be the biggest tattle tell.