[Robsinno1]

WANTED - Aluminum 535ci or bigger Pump Gas motor making, or capable of at least 800 HP with NO power adders (fuel injection preferred).

[Dragncar]

Well, I have the heads, valve train, cam, carb from a 880 HP 505. Was planing on a 900+ HP aluminum 535, have the pistons and crank for that.
The newly rebuilt heads with both Ti valves, rocker gear, pushrods studs are for sale on this page.I know where the highly ported Victor to match the heads is at, its for sale too.
No reason to think I could not have gotten the 20 HP with a bigger engine, and larger 55mm cam. The heads are at Marcellas, he was going to make a Tiger intake fit the heads. You could have him do it for you.
Think about it.
The heads and the rest would make 850+, pump gas pretty easily. Normal wide ports make 800 HP, these are much better.

[jimmy daniel]

I’m curious if you’ve had many responses?

[ponyakr]

I'm sure this has a lot of members here curious.

I'm sure you have to know that lots of Pontiac engine builders can build what you want. So, are you just trying to find a bargain price on a USED engine that meets your description ?

Or, do you want the names of some of the builders who can build it for you ?

http://www.krepower.com/Pontiac%20Street%20Engines.htm

https://butlerperformance.com/i-2448...tegory:1267471

http://www.dcimotorsports.com/servic...ngine-builder/

http://www.spottsperformance.com/IA2%20engine%20block2

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Koern...58663244168447

https://www.facebook.com/PaulKnippensMuscleMotors/

http://lmc3470.wixsite.com/mccarty-r...-street-engine

Your budget for this engine might be helpful, and might prevent some guys from wasting their time & yours.

Just food for thought. Carry on.

[Dragncar]

Not the list I would pick, but their is not a shortage of people who can get it done.

[ponyakr]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Not the list I would pick, but their is not a shortage of people who can get it done.

Yeah, there are probably many dozens, if not many hundreds of guys who can build one. These are just a few Pontiac engine builders that I've heard of. I'm quite sure there are even lots of non Pontiac shops who can build one. Parsons & Myers comes to mind. They have built some of the quickest class racer Pontiac engines in the country, and lots of record setting engines. So, they should have no problem at all making that power level, using the bigger cubes, aftermarket heads, roller cams, big carbs, etc.

http://www.classracer.com/classforum...54&postcount=3

https://www.knfilters.com/news/news.aspx?id=3385

And there are probably lots guys who can do it, who don't own a complete machine shop. Richie Hoffman comes to mind.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...r.php?u=158021

Another member here built a stock block engine that made 755hp @ 5900 rpm. So he would have no problem at all makin 850-900hp with more cubes & better parts.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...11&postcount=3

Several of the class racers can probably do it. Scott Burton & John Clegg come to mind. Don't know exactly what engine building equipment all these guys have. But, they all have the know-how & experience.

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/hppp-...tiac-firebird/

http://missiongarage.com/

I would be REALLY surprised if any of these guys could not make that kind of power, with that many cubes & all the parts that are available today. Hey, most of these guys have built 9 sec iron head 400 block Pontiac engines.

[ponyakr]

"...Not the list I would pick..."


I see you're in CA. So, how about posting your list, for the OP, and for those of us with inquiring minds.

[Robsinno1]

For those who may have misunderstood my request, I am looking for a ready to go, built crate motor or other complete engine that meets my needs. I Would rather not wait for an aluminum block on back order or for an engine to be built. If there is an engine out there that’s ready to go, I’m interested in a 900+ HP 535ci or bigger pump gas motor - naturally aspirated- no power adders - preferably direct port fuel injection.

[Robsinno1]

Originally Posted by jimmy daniel

I’m curious if you’ve had many responses?

No one with a complete engine that meets my needs so far. I would rather not wait to have one built.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by ponyakr

Yeah, there are probably many dozens, if not many hundreds of guys who can build one. These are just a few Pontiac engine builders that I've heard of. I'm quite sure there are even lots of non Pontiac shops who can build one. Parsons & Myers comes to mind. They have built some of the quickest class racer Pontiac engines in the country, and lots of record setting engines. So, they should have no problem at all making that power level, using the bigger cubes, aftermarket heads, roller cams, big carbs, etc.

http://www.classracer.com/classforum...54&postcount=3

https://www.knfilters.com/news/news.aspx?id=3385

And there are probably lots guys who can do it, who don't own a complete machine shop. Richie Hoffman comes to mind.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...r.php?u=158021

Another member here built a stock block engine that made 755hp @ 5900 rpm. So he would have no problem at all makin 850-900hp with more cubes & better parts.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...11&postcount=3

Several of the class racers can probably do it. Scott Burton & John Clegg come to mind. Don't know exactly what engine building equipment all these guys have. But, they all have the know-how & experience.

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/hppp-...tiac-firebird/

http://missiongarage.com/

I would be REALLY surprised if any of these guys could not make that kind of power, with that many cubes & all the parts that are available today. Hey, most of these guys have built 9 sec iron head 400 block Pontiac engines.

I dont think its that easy, to tell you the truth. There have been very few true NA 900+ pump gas Pontiacs ever built,period. One guy got real close to 1000 with a very high effort (for a Pontiac) build. And off the top of my head, I dont know of any all aluminum ones. So, his request is at least close, to never haven being done before.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by Robsinno1

For those who may have misunderstood my request, I am looking for a ready to go, built crate motor or other complete engine that meets my needs. I Would rather not wait for an aluminum block on back order or for an engine to be built. If there is an engine out there that’s ready to go, I’m interested in a 900+ HP 535ci or bigger pump gas motor - naturally aspirated- no power adders - preferably direct port fuel injection.

You are simply NOT going to find the engine you are looking for, it is a hens teeth deal.
Now, I have been talking to Frank at AP, if you want a aluminum block, the time would be right now. They were going to do another run in Nov. Ask for a 55mm, 904 bushed lifter block. You are going to need it. Not absolutely necessary but you valves spring will last twice as long. You cam will by no means small.
Call them up, bet its yours. I can give you Franks number if you want it. I was supposed to get one from this run. But will have to wait.
And that block is the one to get. Talked to Verdi, he has 3 of them. The latest is a very good block. Did not need a bunch of extra work to get it ready. They have made the same HP and vacuum as iron blocks in like builds.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by ponyakr

"...Not the list I would pick..."


I see you're in CA. So, how about posting your list, for the OP, and for those of us with inquiring minds.

This guy seems to have the funds. So, the people who impress me the most are Marcella, Scott Brown,Wilcox and Barton. Not sure if Wilcox does complete engines, bet he could do it though. I think Dan is more of a head intake guy. John M has a CNC program for High Ports that will go 462cfm. And his stuff runs BETTER than the cfm would indicate. And I bet if he does the heads, intake, Cubic carbs it, Scott Brown cams it, specs pistons and the rest of the rotating assembly them two know where to get the rest done. 900 HP is easy for them guys. Bet its WAY more than 900.
Call Scott, have him line the rest up. Him and John work together on some things. Come on, how do you think Leech made the 1200.
PM me, I can give you phone numbers. You got the money, let the pros do what they are paid to do. Best I know of.
Leech gave me Scotts number, tried to point me in the right direction.
OP, just do it, you will be happy.

[Dragncar]

Now the 535 "or bigger" is a loaded statement. Aluminum blocks are near max @ 4.35 bore. Or, a 535 with a 4.5 stroke. 4.38 is max with a AP block, 4.35 with KRE block. There are 2-3 "in between" bores that you need to be aware of building a 535 AP aluminum block. Better off building a 525 @ 4.31.
If you want more stroke be prepared to spend way more money on billet pistons, high dollar ring pack, billet 8 counterweight crank, the best rods.
Now if you want direct port injection, Marcella can make you a badd a$$ intake.

[jimmy daniel]

I have always had good luck with Butler. You can look on their website and see several examples that should work for you. I was looking for a complete 505 or 535 race Motor to buy last year and never found a good used one. It’s not often that you see one show up here but when it does, it tends to get snatched up if it’s a good piece.

[Fast Floridian]

I am a month or away from having it ready. Whats your budget I will know exact power when comes off the dyno. Tunnel Ram set up
i will dyno with dual dominators but fast has a great Fi tunnel ram setup. Anticipate 850 875 range.......

[wreckmastr]

It baffles me that no one has even mentioned BES as a option

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by wreckmastr

It baffles me that no one has even mentioned BES as a option

Them guys, what do they know bout going fast ?

Pretty simple for Tony to get it done. I would go that route before the big "Pontiac" shops.

[Robsinno1]

Dragncar, You have a PM.

[Robsinno1]

Bump