Pontiac - Street No question too basic here!

          
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-08-2023, 05:56 PM
Bruce Meyer's Avatar
Bruce Meyer Bruce Meyer is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Phoenix, Az
Posts: 1,388
Default Replacement oil pan

What is a good stock baffled oil pan on the market now? I bought this one from Butler and it is unusable. That is a factory timing chain cover so that is not the issue.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	bad pan.jpg
Views:	337
Size:	35.7 KB
ID:	623023  

  #2  
Old 11-08-2023, 06:50 PM
gtorich gtorich is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: oshkosh, Wi
Posts: 1,792
Default

Bruce, a very good question, i got this pan from Ames............said excate to oem.................a little better than yours , but not much..............i expect some issues with aftermarket pans, but i had to open up almost all of the holes to fit.........
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	oil pan fitment (3).JPG
Views:	229
Size:	86.6 KB
ID:	623029   Click image for larger version

Name:	oil pan fitment (4).JPG
Views:	249
Size:	88.4 KB
ID:	623030  

  #3  
Old 11-08-2023, 07:00 PM
steve25's Avatar
steve25 steve25 is online now
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Westchester NY
Posts: 14,752
Default

There was not enough sheet steel to start with to form that pan, or they cheaped out with the stretching die’s.

__________________
Wernher Von Braun warned before his retirement from NASA back in 1972, that the next world war would be against the ETs!
And he was not talking about 1/8 or 1/4 mile ETs!

1) 1940s 100% silver 4 cup tea server set.

Two dry rotted 14 x 10 Micky Thompson slicks.

1) un-mailed in gift coupon from a 1972 box of corn flakes.
Two pairs of brown leather flip flops, never seen more then 2 mph.

Education is what your left with once you forget things!
  #4  
Old 11-08-2023, 07:02 PM
Verdoro 68's Avatar
Verdoro 68 Verdoro 68 is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Clayton, CA
Posts: 2,824
Default

I used a Canton stock replacement on my build. No problems at all with fitment, even with a repro timing cover.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/c.../gto/year/1968

__________________
Ken
'68 GTO - Ram Air II 464 - 236/242 roller - 9.5” TSP converter - 3.55 posi (build thread | walk around)
'95 Comp T/A #6 M6 - bone stock (pics)
The Following User Says Thank You to Verdoro 68 For This Useful Post:
  #5  
Old 11-08-2023, 07:08 PM
JLMounce JLMounce is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Greeley, Colorado
Posts: 3,715
Send a message via AIM to JLMounce
Default

Not a stock pan, but I recently used a nightmare performance pan with good results.

__________________
-Jason
1969 Pontiac Firebird
  #6  
Old 11-08-2023, 07:14 PM
b-man's Avatar
b-man b-man is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Sunny So Cal
Posts: 16,460
Default

I’d be searching for a good used pan.

Can’t hurt to try a want ad in the classifieds here.

I had several I sold some years back, I’d bet someone on the forums has one.

__________________
1964 Tempest Coupe LS3/4L70E/3.42
1964 Le Mans Convertible 421 HO/TH350/2.56
2002 WS6 Convertible LS1/4L60E/3.23
The Following User Says Thank You to b-man For This Useful Post:
  #7  
Old 11-08-2023, 07:17 PM
gtorich gtorich is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: oshkosh, Wi
Posts: 1,792
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Verdoro 68 View Post
I used a Canton stock replacement on my build. No problems at all with fitment, even with a repro timing cover.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/c.../gto/year/1968
Ken, thanks for that info..................Jason, that nitemare pan looks good also.

Rich

  #8  
Old 11-08-2023, 07:40 PM
P@blo's Avatar
P@blo P@blo is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Manitoba
Posts: 1,522
Default

Cheap Summit gold oil pan worked fine and even came with the crappy three tab seal like the Canton.

  #9  
Old 11-08-2023, 09:15 PM
Verdoro 68's Avatar
Verdoro 68 Verdoro 68 is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Clayton, CA
Posts: 2,824
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by P@blo View Post
Cheap Summit gold oil pan worked fine and even came with the crappy three tab seal like the Canton.
I will say the slots for the oil pan gasket were off by 1/8" or so on my Canton. Using the tabs on the gasket kept the BOP pan gasket from seating in the channel on the rear cap. Easy fix - just removed tabs off the pan gasket. All the bolt holes lined up to the block and front cover no problem.

__________________
Ken
'68 GTO - Ram Air II 464 - 236/242 roller - 9.5” TSP converter - 3.55 posi (build thread | walk around)
'95 Comp T/A #6 M6 - bone stock (pics)
The Following User Says Thank You to Verdoro 68 For This Useful Post:
  #10  
Old 11-08-2023, 10:07 PM
Gach's Avatar
Gach Gach is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: R. I.
Posts: 4,595
Default

Bruce…That sucks.

  #11  
Old 11-08-2023, 11:59 PM
Tim Corcoran's Avatar
Tim Corcoran Tim Corcoran is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Willow Spring, North Carolina
Posts: 4,704
Default

I never use the rubber seal over the rear cap on the back of the oil pan. I always use a cork gasket, the rubber gasket is problematic and can leak. Even if you don't have the groove in your rear cap for a cork gasket you can still use a cork gasket. SD Performance sell a special cork gasket to go over the rear main if you don't have the cap with a groove.

__________________
Tim Corcoran
The Following User Says Thank You to Tim Corcoran For This Useful Post:
  #12  
Old 11-09-2023, 12:54 AM
Gach's Avatar
Gach Gach is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: R. I.
Posts: 4,595
Default

There’s all different scenarios, my Canton pan, when I ran it on my stock block fit no problem. With just the cork gasket on rear main. I couldn’t used the rubber gaskets with the tabs, even though Canton pan had the slots for rubber gasket. So I just used cork gasket and some good stuff sealer, just thin coat.

But on my IA11 block even with cork gasket there was a space, between the pan and cork gasket… So I had to use both rubber gasket and cork gasket. That’s how much of a space that was. But thank God I’ve never had an issue with it leaking.

But The alignment holes on the pan and front timing cover lined up perfectly. It’s like we were at a state in the Pontiac hobby, today with whats out there that its a 50/50 shot that what you get isn’t going to have a issue. So its like who knows what your going to get. Well I can see the problem is if you get something and you’ve had it for two or three months before you actually need to fit it and use it, then its a real hassle trying to get the issue resolved.

The Following User Says Thank You to Gach For This Useful Post:
  #13  
Old 11-09-2023, 12:09 PM
jhein's Avatar
jhein jhein is offline
Chief Ponti-yacker
 
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Oregon
Posts: 991
Default

I used the BOP stock style pan, but it's got a 6 qt capacity. Fit without mods and no leaks, so far. Also inexpensive.

__________________
70 TA, 467 cid IAII, Edelbrock D-port heads, 9.94:1, Butler HR 236/242 @ .050, 520/540 lift, 112 LSA, Ray Klemm calibrated Q-jet, TKX (2.87 1st/.81 OD), 3.31 rear

https://youtube.com/shorts/gG15nb4FWeo?feature=share
The Following User Says Thank You to jhein For This Useful Post:
  #14  
Old 11-09-2023, 12:15 PM
Formulas Formulas is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 2,667
Default

You will find it all fits 'better' with gaskets in place

with that said i used a canton stock volume with baffle and had to massage some holes

__________________
A man who falls for everything stands for nothing.
  #15  
Old 11-09-2023, 01:19 PM
JSchmitz's Avatar
JSchmitz JSchmitz is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Union, MO
Posts: 2,143
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Corcoran View Post
I never use the rubber seal over the rear cap on the back of the oil pan. I always use a cork gasket, the rubber gasket is problematic and can leak. Even if you don't have the groove in your rear cap for a cork gasket you can still use a cork gasket. SD Performance sell a special cork gasket to go over the rear main if you don't have the cap with a groove.
^^^This^^^

  #16  
Old 11-09-2023, 02:14 PM
Joe-Touring Joe-Touring is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2022
Location: Western WA
Posts: 142
Default

I have a canton repro pan. Fit was decent, definitely much better than that

__________________
67 LeMans, 326, M20, 3.31 12 Bolt
  #17  
Old 11-09-2023, 03:27 PM
Bruce Meyer's Avatar
Bruce Meyer Bruce Meyer is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Phoenix, Az
Posts: 1,388
Default

Im leaning towards a Canton. I have a beat up stock one that I will try to straighten out. If that doesn't work I will order the Canton. Thanks for all the replies.

  #18  
Old 11-09-2023, 05:40 PM
Skip Fix's Avatar
Skip Fix Skip Fix is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Katy,TX USA
Posts: 20,578
Default

Even on a couple of my Canton's I've had to get my hand hole punch and nibble the holes a little.

My Stef's for the 409 was so bad I sent it back to be redone-and they have a 409 block they use for mock up!

__________________
Skip Fix
1978 Trans Am original owner 10.99 @ 124 pump gas 455 E heads, NO Bird ever!
1981 Black SE Trans Am stockish 6X 400ci, turbo 301 on a stand
1965 GTO 4 barrel 3 speed project
2004 GTO Pulse Red stock motor computer tune 13.43@103.4
1964 Impala SS 409/470ci 600 HP stroker project
1979 Camaro IAII Edelbrock head 500" 695 HP 10.33@132 3595lbs
  #19  
Old 11-09-2023, 06:51 PM
Bruce Meyer's Avatar
Bruce Meyer Bruce Meyer is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Phoenix, Az
Posts: 1,388
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip Fix View Post
Even on a couple of my Canton's I've had to get my hand hole punch and nibble the holes a little.

My Stef's for the 409 was so bad I sent it back to be redone-and they have a 409 block they use for mock up!
I have to say the quality of auto parts in general have gone down drastically in the last 15 years. It ruins the enthusiasm I used to have for building old cars. Poor workmanship, questionable materials, and lack if quality assurance (QA). This pan should have never left the factory where it was produced.

The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Bruce Meyer For This Useful Post:
  #20  
Old 11-09-2023, 08:59 PM
PAUL K's Avatar
PAUL K PAUL K is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Sugar Grove IL USA
Posts: 6,353
Default

In addition to a road race pan we offer an American made pan that's considered a stock replacement but comes with a built in scraper, baffle and upgraded drain plug. Most of the "replacement" pans are based off the Chinese copy of the factory pan that is sold by most reproduction companies and big wharehouse "house" brand.... It's one step better than nothing.

I remember my first "made in the USA" Milodon road race pan I purchased nearly thirty years ago. Their advertising campaign at the time was "every pan is test fit" blah blah blah..... We had to grind several bolt holes to make the bolts fit.

__________________
Go fast, see Elvis!
www.facebook.com/PaulKnippensMuscleMotors
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:54 PM.

 

About Us

The PY Online Forums is the largest online gathering of Pontiac enthusiasts anywhere in the world. Founded in 1991, it was also the first online forum for people to gather and talk about their Pontiacs. Since then, it has become the mecca of Pontiac technical data and knowledge that no other place can surpass.

 




Copyright © 2017