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#1
12-07-2013, 10:26 AM
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Ram Air IV????
http://www.ebay.com/itm/350948336648...6648&viewitem=
Ad says "Original Ram Air IV" engine, but it has closed hood scoops and a dual-snorkel standard air cleaner. Seller has no engine or head casting codes listed, so I submitted a question. I thought I knew a lot about GTO's, maybe not so much? Could you order a "Ram Air IV" engine, but not get the rest of the Ram Air package?
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#2
12-07-2013, 10:32 AM
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Thankly we have PHS....That is the only way that one could have been originally. Certainly not now....
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#3
12-07-2013, 12:01 PM
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after reading his ad, I am saddened to learn of his rear end having palsy. is that what they are calling it now when the one side sags.
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#4
12-07-2013, 12:11 PM
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Sounds like a poorly informed seller. He thinks any 70 GTO with a 400 is automatically a Ram Air IV. Ram Air IV cars always came with the ram air system and A/C was not available.
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#5
12-07-2013, 12:13 PM
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Plus the:
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 Too bad he didn't post the PHS for it. 
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#6
12-07-2013, 12:27 PM
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Equipped with A/C too!
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12-07-2013, 12:30 PM
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I wonder if the problem with some of these people is the way it's worded on the 'window sticker' and such. They see the RAM AIR 4 and quit reading? 
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#8
12-07-2013, 01:13 PM
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Like the 70 455 HO. What does the HO mean? Its on PHS and build sheet it is a HO...
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#9
12-07-2013, 05:43 PM
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I doubt it is even a ram air 3 car. That palsy rear end must really move.
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#10
12-07-2013, 08:50 PM
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That's written so poorly it has the makings of a scam.
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#11
12-08-2013, 04:31 PM
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Well, no reply whatsover. I asked politely what the casting numbers were, didn't challenge his listing, just asked. Nothing. Nada.
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GREG'S GOATS: 1970 GTO Judge RA-III, 4-SPD & A/C. Power Windows, Power Seat, Power Brakes, Steering, AM/FM, 8-Track, Formula Wheel, Rallye Gauges, Remote Mirror, Numbers Matching. Assembled at Pontiac, MI Plant 5/26/1970. 1968 GTO 461 CI, RA-III heads, Hotchkis springs, UMI suspension, Bilstein shocks, 12-bolt 3.73's. 1966 GTO Ragtop 4-Speed, AM/FM, Original driveline. |
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#12
12-08-2013, 06:43 PM
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Ebay Seller has no idea what his car is, it is a standard 350 horse plain jane 70 GTO with AC.
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Rich Johns Owner/Operator of Pure Stock Auto Restorations Inc. www.purestockauto.com 1969 GTO Judge Ram Air IV M21 4 speed 3:90 1970 GTO Judge Ram Air III M21 4 speed 3:90 Oshawa Built 1970 GSX Stage 1 M21 4 Speed 3.64 # 67 of 678 Original Paint 1970 GSX Stage 1 Auto 3.64 # 603 of 678 12.44@109.73 mph 2011 Buick GS Nats Pure Stock, 12.71@110.64 mph PSMCDR 2011 1970 GS Stage 1 Convertible Auto 3:64 12.71@109.15 mph PSMCDR 2009 1970 GS 455 M21 4 Speed 3.42 1987 GN Astro Roof |
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#13
12-12-2013, 01:46 AM
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I wonder what's up with the high bidding on this car - I hope someone isn't thinking their buying a ram air IV. I traded email with the seller, told him it wasn't a ra IV. He didn't want to hear it - said I don't need to bid on it then.
I kinda like a low miles, original base 400/auto/ac/green GTO. But certainly not at that price.
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#14
12-12-2013, 09:35 AM
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Typical eBay shill bidding I'm sure.
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#15
12-12-2013, 10:21 AM
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I sent him an email as well telling him about his misrepresented car, but no response. I would think anyone who has the means to buy a RA IV car would at least have the smarts to know this isn't one of them. |
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12-12-2013, 01:15 PM
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#17
12-12-2013, 01:23 PM
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shill bidding?
another fake E BAY auction?...nothing is sacred
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#18
12-12-2013, 03:11 PM
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Just saying that "455 HO" in 70 was on PHS and build sheets. But, on car was 455 CID and UPC coded as L75? Confusion I'd say?
Not sure what "HO" was meant for as it wasn't really defined. Weird stuff like: That we call it the RA III Engine, and no where is it called that by Pontiac. But to add more confusion you could get RA on the L75 and on PHS listed as "Hood Air Inlet".
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#19
12-12-2013, 03:30 PM
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when I first got my PHS I saw that and didn't know what it meant. I asked multiple people to include the tech advisor for POCI. no one knew what it was, until I called Butler out in Cal. when we talked he said he had seen 2 in his time dealing with Pontiacs. this was back in the early 80's when PHS had just came out. when I bought it, knew it was a GTO 1 of 40,000+ built, knew it was a 455 car 1 of 4,500+ built, knew it was a 4 speed 1400+ built, so I was happy with a free car (paid 125.00 for it, sold mag wheels and alum intake and Holley carb for 150.00.) really really happy when found out it was a ram air car. 
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#20
12-12-2013, 04:16 PM
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I think I'll go for it just because it has a "clear washtoning baby title".
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