[rfb92345]

Id like to see it also.

[misterp266]

This set up is over 15 years old. I used a 1/4 inch aluminum plate and milled 1/4 inch off the back of a Wiend FI front cover. Made my own adapters and mounted a SBC water pump. The pump and balancer in this pic was just to mock it up. I ended up with a Moroso electric pump and an ATI balancer.

[GTOGEORGE]

KRE sell a front Motor Plate with a Billet Aluminum timing chain cover that takes a SB Chevy water pump. Very nive piece!

[misterp266]

More pics......

[CPL.BEYDLER]

to misterp266- thats cool! thanks for the pics. what mostly lead me to do that (other than a leaky timming cover) was because people would think that i was running a sbc. which everybody does these days, because the valve covers are the first thing you see when you walk up to a motor in a car. so this will really throw them off. and now they will scratch there head and and try to figure out was series of edelbrock heads i'm running? i'll tell them anything they want to hear because i'm some 22 year old and when they wise up i'll throw it in their face.

[Tom Vaught]

15 years old?

I did not think the Gutsram was made 15 years ago? Or is that the old Larry W. Tunnel ram?

Wow!

Tom V.

ps Why does everyone think the Chebby pump is better than the Pontiac pump???

[Jack Gifford]

Tom V- I never heard any Poncho guy say that the SBC pump is better; it's just that it lends itself to this sort of layout, like Rob (misterp266) showed. The Pontiac pump is a big, bulky thing. And the old 4-bolt pumps weren't a complete pump- just a rotor with no housing.

[misterp266]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

15 years old?

I did not think the Gutsram was made 15 years ago? Or is that the old Larry W. Tunnel ram?

Wow!

Tom V.

ps Why does everyone think the Chebby pump is better than the Pontiac pump???

Tom V.

It's an old Larry Wenzler with a home made top. Thanks for the Wow Tom, from you that means a lot. The SBC pump is easier and cleaner, not better. Plus, at the time I built this car, there were no electric Pontiac pump setups. That motor was actually built in the early eighties with that intake and street driven back and forth to the track before ending up in my Tempest. You might also have noticed the billet upper radiator hose fitting that I put the radiator cap on because it is the high point of the cooling system. No one around here ran Pontiacs when I built this car and there wasn't the aftermarket parts that are available now either.

Rob...

[Ron Genovese]

Has anyone ever tried to mill the entire 1/4" off the mounting flange of the timing cover?

[Brian Baker]

misterp266,

How does either of those water pumps seal up with just two bolts (one on either side) holding them in place? Correct me if I'm wrong, but after milling 1/4" off that Moon style timing cover, it looks like you eliminated the cover and water pump sharing those lower pump bolts, and now just have the timing cover held in place with those bolts (which can be seen in your one shot from the left side). If this is so, I was just wondering what kind of pump sealing issues you've had (if any).

[Tom Vaught]

Quote:

"Has anyone ever tried to mill the entire 1/4" off the mounting flange of the timing cover?"

Stock cover doesn't have enough meet near the gasket surface to to the full 1/4" cut. The "Moon" cover and some of the custom repop covers from RARE, Spotts, and others have enough meat.

Tom V.

[GTO]

My front plate is 3/16 and that's what I cut off the stock timing cover. ... Eric.

[FBNRacing]

We used a 1/4 plate and took off only 3/16 off the cover. Then we made our own lower gasket of thick cork. Also we made a sleezed spacer for the O ring at the top. Works perfect.


Rex

[misterp266]

Originally Posted by Brian Baker

misterp266,

How does either of those water pumps seal up with just two bolts (one on either side) holding them in place? Correct me if I'm wrong, but after milling 1/4" off that Moon style timing cover, it looks like you eliminated the cover and water pump sharing those lower pump bolts, and now just have the timing cover held in place with those bolts (which can be seen in your one shot from the left side). If this is so, I was just wondering what kind of pump sealing issues you've had (if any).

Brian, The adapters are held on with two bolts on each side into the original front cover bolt holes and the water pump is bolted to the adapters with two bolts on each side. If you look at the first picture taken from above, you might see two small protrusions at the top of the timing cover that have small allen head bolts that hold the top of the cover to the motor plate. The cover and the adapters are sealed with anarobic sealer and have never had a leak. The cover has .250 milled off the back so the water pump ears are gone. Hey, in the old days when this was put together I made what I had to! Thank goodness Pontiacs have become more popular and there are some good aftermarket products out there.

[spink7124]

Here's my version, I had 1/4" milled off the back of the timing cover and it broke through the water pump cavity, so the plate was welded to the stock timing cover. The motor is moved back 6" from stock, thats why I'm using the plate instead of the stock mounts. These are just mock-up pics, so no paint on anything yet.
James

[Robert C.]

Why do all of that work. The AP front plate is a piece of cake to install. Ask around we sell alot of them.

Links:http://allpontiac.com/steelfrontmotor.html

http://allpontiac.com/steel_front_motor_abody.html

[Ron H]

Does anyone make a mid plate? Or does someone have a picture to reference?

[Robert C.]

We make two types of mid plates one in 1/8 steel and one in 3/16 Aluminum.

Links: http://allpontiac.com/midmotor_125.html

http://allpontiac.com/midmotor_187.html

[Ron Genovese]

Originally Posted by Robert C.

Why do all of that work. The AP front plate is a piece of cake to install. Ask around we sell alot of them.

Links:http://allpontiac.com/steelfrontmotor.html

http://allpontiac.com/steel_front_motor_abody.html

I had considered your front plate & would have preferred to not have to remove the timing cover to pull the motor, but I bought the car already set up with the plate it came with, so all I have to do at this point is mill the cover. It sounds like 3/16 is the magic number. My machinist is checking it out. It does add more gap at the pan, especially since I run your IA-2 block with the registered mains. Ron

[marks73ta]

Robert C or anyone with experience. You mention that with the mid plate you can pull the motor and leave the trans bolted up. Question (maybe a dumb one) I can see the trans pulled and the motor still supported by the locating dowels thru the plate to support the motor. But what do you do when you pull the motor and leave the trans? Is there something I'm not seeing on the plate that remains bolted to the trans once the motor and dowels are removed or are you saying once the motor is removed you then put some bolts back in thru the plate into the trans? Also , are spacers included with the mid plates to relocate the converter due to the thickness of the plate? Just curious, Thanks Mark L