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I like the shrink wrap idea. I will be stealing this.

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I think I see a little dirt on the floor??? JK.....this car is going to look and drive AMAZING

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It's looking like a car again:







My wife says my car matches my hair color. I guess she's right.
That last photo makes it look like I might be getting it close for being aligned. Except for the doors, it's not even close. I can see a lot of hours for me to get it right. Updates are going to be a little slow for awhile.

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I received both my new Pro6Ten compressor and my new hybrid alternator and finished up with the installation today. I also bought some new silver cad plated grade 5 bolts for installing these and the power steering. I have not received the mini starter yet.









I decided to go ahead and order new valve covers, oil cap and ARP stainless bolts for both the new valve covers and the intake manifold and should receive those this week.

Excellent news too. My transmission was shipped today via FedEx Freight. Delivery estimate is next Monday.

I did receive the bucket seat foams at the end of last week and got them and the metal rear panels down to the interior shop. He said he probably wont get to them for at least another couple of weeks but he knows I am in no hurry for them. I do have new headrests for the seats that I received from Ames but I need to get them painted with vinyl spray paint since they were only available in black. I just ordered the supplies from Ames and should get that this week too. Adhesion promoter, white base coat and Metallic Parchment for the color.
Is the A/C compressor bracket a factory unit or aftermarket? It looks a lot more substantial than the one Vintage Air sells for the Sanden compressor.

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Is the A/C compressor bracket a factory unit or aftermarket? It looks a lot more substantial than the one Vintage Air sells for the Sanden compressor.
Those are the factory compressor brackets. I deburred the aluminum bracket, blasted it and sprayed it with aluminum engine enamel.
I couldn't use one of the factory bracket that secures the top rear of the compressor to the intake manifold. It can't be used with the Edelbrock intake. I don't think it's necessary anyway since the weight of the Pro6TEN compressor is about half of an original A6.

I think Sanden makes a really good compressor but there were a several things I liked about the Pro6TEN better beyond being able to use the factory brackets. It has a larger cu. in displacement which should give it a bit better low rpm performance. I also like the fact that the hoses mount to a manifold on the back of the compressor rather than stick out to the side. Also when using a Sanden with a V belt accessory drive, it will have a double groove pulley. To me it makes it look like you are missing a belt and I don't like that look.

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Any trouble getting the OEM dipstick tube in there?

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Any trouble getting the OEM dipstick tube in there?
No issues at all.

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What is the "hybrid" alternator?

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What is the "hybrid" alternator?
It sounded really good to me and when I called and talked to the owner, he made it sound even better.

https://store.alternatorparts.com/ac130-hd105-hybrid-105-amp-alternator.aspx

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I just came across this thread last night and have since read through all 19 pages. What a fun read! Very good and informative work.

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I just came across this thread last night and have since read through all 19 pages. What a fun read! Very good and informative work.
Thanks! Glad you are enjoying and looking forward to having you join along.

It's been 10 days since I posted an update but have been working on fitting everything from the doors forward almost every day since then. I am happy with the progress and how things are fitting but still have a lot to do.

I started with the doors and everything keys off of those starting back to front. First thing was getting the rear edge and bottom gaps correct and got that done fairly fast. Then came the fenders and hood which pretty much have to be done at the same time. This took a lot of time but I did get a pretty good result.

Today I did a first stab fit of the nose and I was surprised how well it fits at this point. And, I did not have to do any alterations in any of the frame bracket slots. (The ones I had to repair because they had been torched out by someone.)

Here's photos of it all as of now:













There are places I will need to build up with flexible epoxy on the nose and a few places I will need to sand it down for a perfect fit as is always the case. Not a whole lot though. Better than I expected. And btw, I do intend to have the nose and fenders meet flush.

I have the fender to hood gap on both sides perfect but will need a little work with primer and a bit of skim coat for blocking level.
I'm pretty happy with the new hood hinges I got from Ames. They seem high quality and stout and the spring tension is just right.
I did have the common issue where the d/s wiper hits the rear edge of the hood and this had been rubbing when I bought the car too. I took care of that by changing the rear edge contour. It didn't take a lot to give me 1/4" of clearance there and it didn't change the looks from the top at all.

Here's photos of the p/s door gaps:





I will need to do a little welding to close the door to fender gap up just little from the mid section of the door up. Lower part is good.

I don't think the driver side door to fender gap will need any welding. It's looking really good but I have to do more level adjusting down in the area of the fender patch panel. It's sucked in a little so I will have to make a relief cut in the bracing to be able to get it right. No big deal but I'll have to take the fender back off to do.

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The gaps are looking splendid...great job as usual!

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Agreed - very nice job lining things up.
I love it when a car looks like it was machined from a single block and all the closure panel margins just laser cut into it.

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It doesn't get much better than that. Wish I had taken a little more time with my front sheet metal.

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The gaps are looking splendid...great job as usual!
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Agreed - very nice job lining things up.
I love it when a car looks like it was machined from a single block and all the closure panel margins just laser cut into it.
Thank you. That's the look I am shooting for.

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It doesn't get much better than that. Wish I had taken a little more time with my front sheet metal.
It's a great fit for not having made any modifications with welding and filling yet. I didn't expect I would be able to get it this close. Shows that I really did get a great car that hasn't been hit in the front. Still some work to do but doesn't seem daunting anymore.

This part of the process does take an inordinate amount of time. But time is something I have plenty of luckily.

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Old 07-16-2021, 06:33 PM
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Those are excellent gaps. I’d hesitate to add any metal to the doors or fenders. You’re still going to put several coats of primer and color which will shrink the apparent gaps even further. Plus you’ll have a darker color which seems to make the gaps less noticeable than lighter colors, IMHO.

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A piece of masking tape rolled around the edges will be close to what you will have left once painted. Not much difference, but its worth noting. Did you fit your fenders to the bumper, gapped the hood edge & got lucky with the doors, or did you tweak the doors a bit? I started my gaps in the front and worked to the fronts of the doors. then twisted the doors to fit the quarters. backwards from how the factory did it, but it doesn't take much & every door is different I have found. My rockers also curved in slightly at the front, so I had to pull them out a fuzz. Maybe the last 5" as I recall. whenever I see cars with perfect rocker, door & fender fitment I usually wonder if they did the same thing, or they just got lucky. Never fit great from the factory, but with enough patience and willingness to modify the sheet metal here & there, they can get pretty darn close.

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A piece of masking tape rolled around the edges will be close to what you will have left once painted. Not much difference, but its worth noting. Did you fit your fenders to the bumper, gapped the hood edge & got lucky with the doors, or did you tweak the doors a bit? I started my gaps in the front and worked to the fronts of the doors. then twisted the doors to fit the quarters. backwards from how the factory did it, but it doesn't take much & every door is different I have found. My rockers also curved in slightly at the front, so I had to pull them out a fuzz. Maybe the last 5" as I recall. whenever I see cars with perfect rocker, door & fender fitment I usually wonder if they did the same thing, or they just got lucky. Never fit great from the factory, but with enough patience and willingness to modify the sheet metal here & there, they can get pretty darn close.
I will definitely be needing someone to do this for me on my 68 because I will get so frustrated and use words that aren't fit for children's ears

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I will definitely be needing someone to do this for me on my 68 because I will get so frustrated and use words that aren't fit for children's ears
I can't even begin to count the hours I have spent on fitting and modify the sheet metal for better fitment. lots of small cuts and changes you would never notice. just have to do them in the right places. I know there are some that will look at the panel fitment & say the cars should never fit that good & never did from the factory. I completely agree, But I decided 10 years ago I wanted to improve that for personal preference. just something about the reflections continuing on to the next panel & even gaps makes a big difference in the appearance. As long as you are ok with deviating from stock a bit. I have zero regrets doing that on my 68

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Those are excellent gaps. I’d hesitate to add any metal to the doors or fenders. You’re still going to put several coats of primer and color which will shrink the apparent gaps even further. Plus you’ll have a darker color which seems to make the gaps less noticeable than lighter colors, IMHO.
My target for all the gaps is from 5/32" to 3/16". I won't let primer coats build up enough to allow them to get closer than 5/32". I can sand the primer off all the way back to metal before my final coat of primer if I need to. My final coat will be epoxy primer. I made the hood to fender gaps 3/16" and won't let those get closer. I installed the 4 rubber wedges that go on the sides of the fender during this process and found that it's better to keep the gap at 3/16" to allow those to fit and not push the hood up.

I'll show better photos of the one area where I will build up metal to close the gap. It's needed between where I have place the shims all the way to the top. You can see it's pretty wide in that top section. It's just right from the shims down to the bottom.



This is the only place that is more than 3/16". I put shims in the widest place and it measures 9/32"



I'll also weld a bit on the top edge portion of the door to even up the arc around the end of the fender.

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.... Did you fit your fenders to the bumper, gapped the hood edge & got lucky with the doors, or did you tweak the doors a bit? I started my gaps in the front and worked to the fronts of the doors. then twisted the doors to fit the quarters. backwards from how the factory did it...
No, I did it the exact opposite of you. I started with lining up the rear door edge and bottom gaps. Matching the style creases on the rear edge to the quarter determined the bottom gap and then just made sure it was straight and level with the rocker all the way to the front by adjusting the door hinges..





After that, I considered the door permanently in place. (This won't change when I R&R the doors for painting since I'm just going to pull the pins. The hinges will stay in place.)
Then I aligned the fenders to the doors, hood to fenders and nose to fenders all at the same time. Moving any one affects the rest. I am happy there there turned out to be only one place I had to weld to add metal. This is much less than I expected.

As I said in my previous update, I needed to take the d/s fender off and correct the curve to the bottom part in the area where I installed the patch panel. Actually I had to R&R it twice. The first time to make a couple of relief cuts in the support bracket then reinstall and bend it a little to fit and then the second time to weld up the relieve cuts.
As I thought, it did come out perfect and the gap is good top to bottom and level to the door good as well:





When the hood stays on, and you're removing a fender, the hood hinge has come completely off. I drilled some 1/8" guide holes to help me get the fender back in the same spot. 2 through the lower part of the hinge near the 2 bolts to the fender and one in the fender bracket to cowl.





I made that hood prop bar a couple of projects back and it comes in handy. It's a piece of aluminum tubing with rubber walking cane tips on both ends.

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