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Old 05-17-2022, 03:07 PM
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Default Last drive for the RAIII

Sad day in way. The RAIII drove it's last 35 miles to the shop this morning. She will go into storage in my shop and the new drivetrain will go in. I'm sad to see her go but very much excited about the new drivetrain. That should be about a month or so if all goes well. And that'll be a long month...

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Old 05-17-2022, 03:47 PM
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Ls conversion?

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Old 05-17-2022, 03:56 PM
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Ls conversion?
Nah, not that bad...

IAII block with E-heads and specs per my signature line. I will still consider it to be Pontiac powered. Not all may agree but that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

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Old 05-17-2022, 04:33 PM
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Didn't you say you were going to store it in MY garage!?

Har-har.

(I really don't need it, I have too many engines ect as is right now)

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Old 05-17-2022, 04:36 PM
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Didn't you say you were going to store it in MY garage!?

Har-har.

(I really don't need it, I have too many engines ect as is right now)
LOL.

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Old 05-17-2022, 05:19 PM
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All that extra HP will transform that car. I have owned 2 Ram Air III stock engine cars. Great engines, but the difference in torque between 1800-3000 RPM's will be amazing if you can get any traction. ENJOY!

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All that extra HP will transform that car. I have owned 2 Ram Air III stock engine cars. Great engines, but the difference in torque between 1800-3000 RPM's will be amazing if you can get any traction. ENJOY!
I'll have to see if I can program the traction control software in the CPU connected to my right foot to do that.

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Old 05-17-2022, 05:58 PM
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I have to ask is this a numbers matching RAII car?

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Old 05-17-2022, 06:31 PM
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I have to ask is this a numbers matching RAII car?
Nope. But even if it was, I'd still do it. I'm keeping the motor and the M20. Nothing I'm doing is irreversible so it can always go back in if I ever were to sell it and someone wants that. In fact, since it's a car I drive, it makes more sense to take the original stuff out to protect it rather than run it and risk breaking it. At least that's what I think.

Also, I'm keeping everything totally stock looking under the hood. The E-heads will be the biggest giveaway but I got the stealth option from Butler so that helps a little.

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Old 05-17-2022, 09:47 PM
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Nope. But even if it was, I'd still do it. I'm keeping the motor and the M20. Nothing I'm doing is irreversible so it can always go back in if I ever were to sell it and someone wants that. In fact, since it's a car I drive, it makes more sense to take the original stuff out to protect it rather than run it and risk breaking it. At least that's what I think.
I thought you'd connected with the owner of the car the motor was originally in? No planned re-union then?

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Old 05-18-2022, 06:58 PM
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I thought you'd connected with the owner of the car the motor was originally in? No planned re-union then?
Yes that’s what I heard , One of the members here helped you find the car your engine came out of (WS motor ) and it was going back into the original car . what happend ?

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Old 05-18-2022, 07:41 PM
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Yes that’s what I heard , One of the members here helped you find the car your engine came out of (WS motor ) and it was going back into the original car . what happend ?
Well, not exactly, since I was never looking for the car it came from. But, regardless, I just decided not to sell it.

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Old 05-17-2022, 11:24 PM
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Nope. But even if it was, I'd still do it. I'm keeping the motor and the M20. Nothing I'm doing is irreversible so it can always go back in if I ever were to sell it and someone wants that. In fact, since it's a car I drive, it makes more sense to take the original stuff out to protect it rather than run it and risk breaking it. At least that's what I think.

Also, I'm keeping everything totally stock looking under the hood. The E-heads will be the biggest giveaway but I got the stealth option from Butler so that helps a little.
I get it and it’s your car do as you wish. Just was curious if it was original or not. I raced my car for years myself so I get it I ended up building a different car in the end because I didn’t want to hurt the original car. Couldn’t cage it or mini tub it or anything, so made sense to build a new body and drive train. In the end.

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What is the bore size you are using on the IAII? Must be smaller for a 468 ci motor.

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What is the bore size you are using on the IAII? Must be smaller for a 468 ci motor.
Yes, I got the block in the small bore size, 4.145. The final bore will be 4.185.

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Not so simple. And not about F_____g money.

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Congrats on your new motor. Excellent idea since you don't have the original motor.

I do have to say that I am puzzled. Why are you not reuniting the spare motor with the owner of the matching number car? If it's not money, you just want to taunt the owner of the car? Why the attachment to a non original motor? I think owning a car knowing that you have someone else's motor is incredibly hard to get over especially if everyone else knows it. I hope you reconsider that. You don't need that kind of bad JUJU and reputation for a motor.

Surely you can find another WS for you car.

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Guys, I wanted to stay out of this;
But after a half dozen posts, I'd feel like an arse to stay completely silent.

I have spoken with "jhein" a bunch offline, and will say that he seems like a real good guy.

Could I ask that this other WS motor discussion please be dropped;
It's his motor, and none of us have any say in what he does with it.
His car may not have it's numbers matching motor, but this engine is numbers correct - and regaurdless, he has decided to keep it.
I think it's prudent to keep a correct motor for this car around.

I will also stick my neck out to say this;
Some of what I came to understand seperate from this forum made it seem like that other discussion quite possibly wasn't as it was being presented publicly.

What's that old saying(?);
If it seems too good to be true, that's probably because it isn't true.

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"Could I ask that this other WS motor discussion please be dropped;"


The WS is the elephant in the room.... As I initially stated, I am very happy that a bad ass motor is going into his car, but its really hard to argue sympathy in a situation where one has the ability to reunite a motor with the born with car, when money isn't a factor AND another WS could be used in its place. I can read between the lines and see there are some feelings here probably on both sides, but someone could mediate a deal here.

If not, the original post is accurate. It IS a sad day.

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Old 05-19-2022, 09:08 AM
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I've been avoiding this discussion because in order for me to defend myself I'd have to say some things about other members that I don't want to have to say. And I'm still not going down that path. All I'll say is that I decided not to sell and I have good reasons.

I think it's interesting the way that some people seem eager to attack me here. Accusing me of taunting people and even invoking Voodoo curses on me and my car. That's pretty hilarious actually. Makes me wonder who they are, and who their associates are, maybe posting under multiple names? Who knows.

As was said earlier, things are not always as they seem.

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