[Wareagle]

Heres a great pic of the Grocery Getter Wagon in Burnout Mode .

[bmpmdf]

Is winter over yet? That picture just got a racing craving going !

[Wareagle]

Its great to see them PONCHOS on the WARPATH .

[Steve Barcak]

Mark at BOP. what was the intake from, is it a casting from somthing else or? How thick is the head plate phlange? it looks very thick. Steve www.pontiacheaven.org

[John Bailey (GTOKID)]

I HAVE SEEN A set that flows 400 on the intake and 300 on the exh

[tom s]

Mark,I had it on the 455 RA V engine.Just pulled it to drop the motor in the 69 GTO.I might put it back on after it is in the car and running.I need to fab a lower pan for the RamAir system if I plan on running it.Tom

[Steve Barcak]

Thanks for the info Mark. That must be a rare piece you cut up huh? Don't let a vintage Ford guy see that, he may string you up LOL.
I am curious as to why you would use a 1" thick plate?
Steve www.pontiacheaven.org

[tom s]

Steve,mine is a ford factory tunnel port 2-4 tunnel ram intake that was cutup along with a RA V single 4 that was cut for the water X over.2 rare intakes!

[tom s]

Mark,would make a REALLY nice short deck intake!Im on the hunt for a ford to cutup now!The plates would not have to be so thick.Tom

[JOE DEYTON]

Heres a link to the ford intakes www.dscmotorsport.com/Manifolds/index.htmjust look for "tunnel port intake".

[NHRASuperStock455SD]

Pontiac racers make their cars run very good without spending huge bucks. That is one of the attractions of a Pontiac.

There is nothing wrong with that.

However, there are a few people that want Pontiac to supercede the performance of the other brands, such as they did in the 60/70's.

I believe that capability is there!! We must understand that it is a horsepower per cubic inch deal in most racing venues.

Currently with conventional Pontiac cylinder head designs that will fall between 370 cubic inches and 420 cubic inches. Maybe a little higher.

Above that, the B-1 Mopars and the BBC will kick your butts. If we cant outdo a Hemi with a conventional Pontiac head, then it is time to step up! Right?

When Foder ran his RA-V's against them all in AHRA, and did good. Have we fallen off that bad? Now they are eating our lunch! In NHRA they made the RA-V illegal! Why? (Cause the Chevies, Hemi's and the Fords all objected to the unfair advantage.)

It must be 2.5 to 2.6 HP per cubic inch, or go home. We wont be able to compete everywhere, and we should pick our battles wisely.

Lynn

[Wareagle]

Lynn-Bill Foders 68 Firebird called ZEPPELIN was Awesome-he would come to the line -do a 8000 + rpm static burnout with his 400 RAM AIR V combo and go through the traps at 9000 rpm running 9's-Later he ran a 428 version -a lot of people thought he was running a hp BB chevy -not so -his engine and car were well thought out pieces ie. engine oiling etc. and it was very dependable -no wonder NHRA banned it--is the RA V still allowed in IHRA etc. .

[fsgto]

What class was Foder running with this combination and why was it banned?

Adam Strang

[sdbob]

Was the 428 a regular block or the RAV 428 block? That was awesome. I think he ran M/P.

[Wareagle]

Bill had a lot of great connections--so I think all his pieces were RAM AIR V stuff--they would help each other out etc. .

[GREATGTO]

what are the chances of a wider bore spacing pontiac style block ever being made? with a set of heads to match. I know something like this wouldnt be practical, but it sure would piss off some ford and chevy racers, and thats why we do it isnt it then we could stamp a bog ole pontiac logo on the block and heads

[GREATGTO]

sorry, every now and then my dreams get away from me

[GTOGEORGE]

When you widen the bore spacing ........it's not a Pontiac any more!!

[NHRASuperStock455SD]

I never saw the Zepplin run. I saw it in a 1976 Popular Hot Rodding magazine.

AHRA rated the 400 single 4 at 390HP. The 428 with twin 660's was rated at 415HP to match race against all the 426 hemis, MAX Wedges, 427 tripowers, 427 ZL1's, 427 High Rise Fords, all rated 415HP (I think).

At 380 cfm, guess who had the best heads?

By the time I met Bill, he was running the RA-V in a 1964 Corvette with a RA-V in IHRA Modfied. Cool car. IHRA outlawed it.

We bought the RA-V and put it in our 1969 Trans Am in NHRA A/MP. We first ran it in 1982. It went 9.41 at 147mph on the first run hitting the rev limiter at 9600RPM weighing in at almost 3500lbs. Of course then NHRA legalized the SBC alum head, and the record went to 8.90 the next year.

If we would have had an alum head RA-V, and went down to 390 inches, we could have stayed in the game.

Blocks:

I think we could do something creative with bore-spacing for a 4.500 bore. The Buick block has siamezed sleeves that is pretty cool. I dont know the difference in the bore spacing between this and a Pontiac, but the block definitely limits us on how high we can go with an inline valve motor. We fill the blocks in all our race motors anyway, so why not?

At this point we must use creativity in offset boring and valve guide placement as possible.

There is a reason Chevies use a splayed valve head. Anyone who thinks the traditional Pontiac head even remotely resembles the Splayed Valve SBC or BBC head, needs to read up a little. When they get done reading, then we will introduce 'twisted' valve technology.

Lynn

[NHRASuperStock455SD]

Oh, I forgot.

Inline V-8 OHV technology was introduced in 1955 in a Pontiac, Oldsmobile in 1949.(My dad had a 1949 Olds Rocket V-8 Indy Pace car)

Hemisherical combustion was introduced in middle 50's.

Wedge heads with splayed valves, early 60's.

RA-V heads with a pushrod valve guide alignment 1969.

Which is older technology?

Just a philosophical question I thought I would bring up.

Lynn