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Old 10-01-2017, 05:36 PM
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Think maybe you build car to engine capability OR work a deal with someone you trust to test your engine in their race car. I've done the latter. A friend with an altered. Tested my street/strip motor at end of his race season.
I actually enjoyed watching. He was surprised how strong my NA 440 combo was.

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Old 10-01-2017, 05:41 PM
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You don't have to run sub 10's all the time if you don't want to,

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Old 10-01-2017, 05:47 PM
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Come on, put a cam in that thing and see how much power you can make on pump gas.
What is the CV pump gas record ?
Nah, Not looking to prove anything. Just want to do a Mike McCarty type build. That's right up my alley

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Old 10-01-2017, 05:52 PM
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I've been friends with Jimmy for thirty years and I'm not on the Internet making false statements for him.



You did, that's the issue. You stated "you made more power than I ever did with Pontiac heads". That's not true! Someone might actually see that and believe it.




This is true. I don't know what it has to do with me? I dyno most of my high end engines at a local shop with a modern DTS dyno that has working EGT's. Troy's dyno does not! I understand you and Calvin don't know what an EGT is but it helps with tuning an engine. I also understand you being amped up about your new engine making more power on a dyno than a Tiger headed engine. This is a perfect example of why we don't race dyno's... that Tiger headed engine ran 7.71 @ 181 mph in a door car.... how fast did your "more powerful" engine go?




No, they told you the truth. I believe you and Calvin jumped to conclusions. I'm sure you were all giddy because your engine performed well and Calvin was all horned up because he has never made big power before. That doesn't give you and Calvin the right to go make stuff up. Look how butt hurt C got because I thought he bought your heads.



Build anything you'd like that's what it's all about, but don't go on the Internet and make up facts.
You are crafty with these quotes. You must spend a lot of time on here.

You were the one that brought my name up in your bull**** post. Now you are all butt hurt.

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Old 10-01-2017, 05:56 PM
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I would not ever even think about building a engine of mine and letting someone else run it in their car. Its my baby.
Its a 69 GTO and not getting holes cut in firewall period. I have my eye on a couple cars I could buy. But am liking the idea of turning a 68-69 2 door Chevelle into a GTO and using my rear. I have no problem cutting up a chevy.
The cam required to make 900+ HP with E heads might be quite large. Dont want severely decreased valve spring life or risk breaking any T&D ex rockers. Mike broke some. I do have 2 extra intake and ex rockers though.
It depends on what Scott Brown says. I trust his opinion. Marcellas too.

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Old 10-01-2017, 06:28 PM
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You are crafty with these quotes. You must spend a lot of time on here.

You were the one that brought my name up in your bull**** post. Now you are all butt hurt.

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Do you know why your name was brought up?

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Old 10-01-2017, 08:07 PM
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Ironic Calvin, recently you gave advice on this forum on how to touch up a valve seat using a stone.

Thanks for taking the time to look at my FB page.

Did you break the piggy bank open for our race Saturday?
Yes, I have used stones in the past, but haven't in the past 10 years. Even my budget build customers get the same 5 angle valve job treatment as all of my customers. I don't tell them they are too cheap to use my high quality Rottler equipment and we must go back to the stone age.

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Old 10-01-2017, 08:11 PM
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Fwiw the valve job on my dad's 9.5@140mph tri-power car was done with stones.

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Old 10-01-2017, 08:19 PM
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Fwiw the valve job on my dad's 9.5@140mph tri-power car was done with stones.
Were the heads CNC or just hand ported?

The reason I ask it's not so much of a big deal to cut a seating angle with stones, but trying to blend the top to the chamber and bottom angle to the bowl.

What about your heads?

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Old 10-01-2017, 08:24 PM
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Yes, I have used stones in the past, but haven't in the past 10 years. Even my budget build customers get the same 5 angle valve job treatment as all of my customers. I don't tell them they are too cheap to use my high quality Rottler equipment and we must go back to the stone age.

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You only have one cutter for performing valve jobs?

I can see why all your stuff is so bad azz and powerful. I think I'm going to be handing you a lot of money on Saturday after you drag us down the track.

Hey Calvin are these a pair of your bad azz heads??
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Old 10-01-2017, 08:33 PM
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You only have one cutter for performing valve jobs?

I can see why all your stuff is so bad azz and powerful. I think I'm going to be handing you a lot of money on Saturday after you drag us down the track.

Hey Calvin are these a pair of your bad azz heads??
Hey Pamper Paul,

I'll pull up the pictures and post them from the E heads I reworked in 2012 that you did, must have been one of your "budget" customers. I know I have them as they are a great example of when you put a bigger valve in, but just touch off the heads with a set of stones.

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Old 10-01-2017, 08:58 PM
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You only have one cutter for performing valve jobs?

I can see why all your stuff is so bad azz and powerful. I think I'm going to be handing you a lot of money on Saturday after you drag us down the track.

Hey Calvin are these a pair of your bad azz heads??
I feel bad for Keith.

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You only have one cutter for performing valve jobs?

I can see why all your stuff is so bad azz and powerful. I think I'm going to be handing you a lot of money on Saturday after you drag us down the track.

Hey Calvin are these a pair of your bad azz heads??
I too feel bad for Keith. Pay all that money for them. What would cause a entire aluminum head to be too hard. Bad heat treat ?
Cracks, there is one. There are more too.

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Old 10-01-2017, 09:43 PM
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Hey Pamper Paul,

I'll pull up the pictures and post them from the E heads I reworked in 2012 that you did, must have been one of your "budget" customers. I know I have them as they are a great example of when you put a bigger valve in, but just touch off the heads with a set of stones.

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Calvin you should cheer up! I checked your horoscope and it says you are about to win a large sum of money. You'll be able to afford a second cutter for doing valve jobs. I'd suggest a radius shape, they work very well on the exhaust side.

You must've been really impressed with those heads to be obsessing over them since 2012 and to take a bunch of pictures. Or are they the only heads you've done in the last five years?

Don't you think the name calling is a little childish?

Don't strain your eyes studying my Facebook page, I'd be happy to take you through the shop if you're ever in the area.

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The reason I ask it's not so much of a big deal to cut a seating angle with stones, but trying to blend the top to the chamber and bottom angle to the bowl.



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Calvin, I'm confused...are stones good or bad or are you kissing Slowbirds azz hoping he'll let you study his heads?

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Come on, who did Keith's heads ?
Them those "Fusion" ports ?


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Come on, who did Keith's heads ?
Them those "Fusion" ports ?
Yes, I feel bad for Keith too.

I did the heads 4-5 years ago. Since that time he broke a crankshaft, an IA block, had bent valves, broken guides, burned up a head running alcohol. He reached out to me a few weeks back, I told him I would look at them, but he decided to go another route. He's had a couple different shops work on them over the past few years. Said they were pressure tested last year with no issues. I looked up what he paid me for the heads when he bought them, right at $4,000 complete ready to bolt on.

Kinda hard to believe the heads aren't fixable, most aluminum heads can be repaired.

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Old 10-01-2017, 11:58 PM
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I have only ever done it using stones. but Then again I have not done one in a number of decades.

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I think they're still in awe of Billy's performance.

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