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#141
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Dennis, I did check on that rocker molding, not sure what it’s from but it’s the wrong length by about two inches, sure looks A body, maybe a GP. I got it in a batch of NOS stuff with no packaging.
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My Break Away Squad 1969 Fbird (Base, 350 & Sprint Cvt’s - 400HO & TA Hardtops) 1969 LeMans (2dr & 4dr Hardtop and a Cvt) 1969 LeMans Safari 2 seat Wagon 1969 GTO (2 Cvt, 2 Hardtops & Judge Hardtop) 1969 Catalina (3 Cvt’s & a 2dr hardtop) 1969 Ventura 2 Seat Wagon 1969 Executive 4dr Sedan 1969 Bonnie Cvt 1969 Bonnie 3 Seat Wagon (2 of them) 1969 Bonnie Brougham (4dr Hardtop & Cvt) 1969 Grand Prix SJ (2 of them) 1969 2+2 2dr Hardtop (Canadian model) |
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Jeff, Thanks! The Rally II's sure add to the pizzazz of a mundane 4-door sedan.
Dennis |
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I got a call from the former owner (surviving wife) to let me know she found a few old photos of the car when it was newer (she wasn't sure of the year, but thought early 70's) and the bill of sale. She is going to mail these to me tomorrow, so can't wait to get them by the weekend. She made me promise to give her a ride in the Lemans in return!
Dennis |
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#145
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Just ran across this thread, what a cool car and story ! My Pontiac roots started with 68 Lemans (2) so this and the 350 HO has always been of much interest to me although our previous cars were all 350 2v including our current 69 lemans 2 door HT cream puff one owner garage car we got a couple years ago that has 86k miles original garaged whole life.. The coolest 69 I can say I ran across here in Texas was back in 86 or 87 when I needed to find a replaced Z bar for my first car while still in high school was a 68 Lemans 4 speed 350 2v car when mine broke probably from engine movement at WOT with busted motor mount .. Surprised to find the local yard said they had one and went with them to parts car and it was a really odd neat 69 Lemans 4 door hard top Liberty Blue white vinyl top white bucket seats no console Rally II's 350 2v with manual 3 speed with oem factory Hurst floor shift ! See these 4 door hardtop #'s are super low vs the other bodies this had to also be extremely rare and sure would like to have it today. Cool for a HO tribute and swap 4 spd from 3 spd .. Same yard I found a 68 Tempest 350 HO auto engine in a wrecked 69 Bird and a 65 Safari burgandy with 389 2v factory Hurst floor shifted 3 speed and Safe t track , Rallye 350 , 70 Cutlass Supreme 4 speed car , 73 340 Magum power petty Blue road runner, and late smog 455 W30 sticker Hurst Olds of the 73 up variety. these 2 floor shifted 3 spd Hurst shifter stick cars had oem loop old carpet and exact same trim plate my no console 68 Lemans 4 speed had and my old 70 TA RA3 M21 car (no console)
350 HO 1969 Tempest 2-door coupe: 85 Tempest 4-door sedan: 10 Custom S 2-door coupe: 87 Custom S 2-door hardtop: 597 Custom S 4-door hardtop: 30 Custom S 2-door ragtop: 45 Custom S 4-door sedan: 55 LeMans 2-door coupe: 117 LeMans 2-door hardtop: 2,687 LeMans 4-door hardtop: 254 LeMans 2-door ragtop: 271
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63 Catalina coupe 467 cid budget drag car 11's 1/4 , 7.20 1/8th pump gas n/a 66 Star Chief Executive 57k mile 69 Le Mans 2 dr HT 350 85k mile 15 sec 1/4 69 Firebird 400 Burgandy/Black 70 Olds Rallye 350 F85 4 speed 3.91's 70 Olds Cutlass Cruiser Red Wagon 350 101k miles 15 sec 1/4 12 sec w 455 74 Cheyenne Super C10 LWB Gen 6 454 w ZZ502 cam 3.07gear 13.1 1/4, 8.3 1/8 2020 RAM 1500 SLT 4x4 5.7 A8 Hemi 2007 Hummer H3 3.7 liter turd 2019 Chevy Spark petrol car 38 mpg |
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Production figures
Wish you had purchased that 69 Liberty Blue 4 door hardtop Lemans.
Am amazed that more were not saved. Does anyone have the figures for the 1970-1972 Pontiac intermediate 4 door hardtops? Engine figures? I know a few of the figures, as a mere 19 with the factory installed 455 for 1972. Quote:
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1970 Lucerne Blue Firebird Trans Am, deluxe blue interior. Original Ram Air III, M-21, 3.73. Being built as a 4" stroke "434" with SR 614 Ram Air IV heads 1972+ Lucerne Blue 4-door hardtop "what if" T-41 Le Mans Sport GT/Grand Am concepts. Equipped with future 3" journal "455 HO"/"what if" prototype "SD 455". What if GM had continued production of the 1970-72 GM A body somewhere in the southern hemisphere? |
#147
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For the Luxury LeMans.
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#148
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"Wish you had purchased that 69 Liberty Blue 4 door hardtop Lemans."
It was almost like the intent of a Euro inspired stick sporty 4 door like the 73-75 Grand Am or old OHC Sprints A body was intended Well a broke teenager at the time I was lucky to have what I had, I had to buy my own cars. Need a time machine to just go back to the late 80's in my old neighborhood with a bag of cash !
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63 Catalina coupe 467 cid budget drag car 11's 1/4 , 7.20 1/8th pump gas n/a 66 Star Chief Executive 57k mile 69 Le Mans 2 dr HT 350 85k mile 15 sec 1/4 69 Firebird 400 Burgandy/Black 70 Olds Rallye 350 F85 4 speed 3.91's 70 Olds Cutlass Cruiser Red Wagon 350 101k miles 15 sec 1/4 12 sec w 455 74 Cheyenne Super C10 LWB Gen 6 454 w ZZ502 cam 3.07gear 13.1 1/4, 8.3 1/8 2020 RAM 1500 SLT 4x4 5.7 A8 Hemi 2007 Hummer H3 3.7 liter turd 2019 Chevy Spark petrol car 38 mpg |
#149
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Weirdly Pontiac decreed that the intermediate Lemans 4 door hardtop was available ONLY as a "Luxury" Lemans for ml 1972. Mandatory extra trim to obscure the lower body line.
I wonder about the 1972 post sedans. How many with 400, 455, and/or T-41?
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1970 Lucerne Blue Firebird Trans Am, deluxe blue interior. Original Ram Air III, M-21, 3.73. Being built as a 4" stroke "434" with SR 614 Ram Air IV heads 1972+ Lucerne Blue 4-door hardtop "what if" T-41 Le Mans Sport GT/Grand Am concepts. Equipped with future 3" journal "455 HO"/"what if" prototype "SD 455". What if GM had continued production of the 1970-72 GM A body somewhere in the southern hemisphere? |
#150
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I received a nice little packet from the former owner with 14 pictures from the past (April '69 thru July '06), the original Bill of Sale dated Dec. 19, 1968, the Protect-O-Plate dated 12-68, the order form to install a new trailer hitch (from dealer's accessories dept.) and undercoating before delivery dated Dec. 18, 1968, his hand-written option list for a Tempest 4-dr Sedan and Tempest 2-dr coupe(!), and a service bulletin (dated April 9, 1969) regarding an issue with cracking Q-jet fast idle cams possibly preventing the throttle blades from closing and potentially causing an accident and to bring it into the local Pontiac service department for a replacement cam. All of this was placed in the original dealerships "Safe-T-Keep" Car Papers pouch (Sharpe Motor Sales in Greenville, MI). Unfortunately, she hasn't found a dealer option list or window sticker yet, however, she's still going through pictures and old documents, so hopefully will find some more goodies.
Dennis |
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I live for this sort of stuff!
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My Break Away Squad 1969 Fbird (Base, 350 & Sprint Cvt’s - 400HO & TA Hardtops) 1969 LeMans (2dr & 4dr Hardtop and a Cvt) 1969 LeMans Safari 2 seat Wagon 1969 GTO (2 Cvt, 2 Hardtops & Judge Hardtop) 1969 Catalina (3 Cvt’s & a 2dr hardtop) 1969 Ventura 2 Seat Wagon 1969 Executive 4dr Sedan 1969 Bonnie Cvt 1969 Bonnie 3 Seat Wagon (2 of them) 1969 Bonnie Brougham (4dr Hardtop & Cvt) 1969 Grand Prix SJ (2 of them) 1969 2+2 2dr Hardtop (Canadian model) |
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I hear you North! The stories that are behind the cars are what makes them so interesting. The group of 4 pictures staring with the upper left is the Custom S in May of 1969; upper right Fall of 1971 (need to know the story of the black '69 Tempest post coupe in the foreground!); lower left July of 1975 with "Engine out for overhaul, timing gear went out" (so that answers some of our questions and suspicions); and lower right May 1982 replacing front fenders with NOS (notice the original large single snorkel air cleaner) and when the rest of the car got primered in gray. I see there are aftermarket stick-on body side moldings that were added at some point...
..and a side shot of the original dealership building. Dennis |
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#153
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Wonder when the dual quad went in?
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My Break Away Squad 1969 Fbird (Base, 350 & Sprint Cvt’s - 400HO & TA Hardtops) 1969 LeMans (2dr & 4dr Hardtop and a Cvt) 1969 LeMans Safari 2 seat Wagon 1969 GTO (2 Cvt, 2 Hardtops & Judge Hardtop) 1969 Catalina (3 Cvt’s & a 2dr hardtop) 1969 Ventura 2 Seat Wagon 1969 Executive 4dr Sedan 1969 Bonnie Cvt 1969 Bonnie 3 Seat Wagon (2 of them) 1969 Bonnie Brougham (4dr Hardtop & Cvt) 1969 Grand Prix SJ (2 of them) 1969 2+2 2dr Hardtop (Canadian model) |
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North, There are a couple pictures (dated of July 10, 2006) where the engine looks freshly painted and showing a very clean (probably newly installed) dual quad set-up and air filters.
Dennis |
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I wonder what he was thinking? That car must of surprised a few guys when new with 330 horses and 3.55’s in a hub capped taxi looking car.
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My Break Away Squad 1969 Fbird (Base, 350 & Sprint Cvt’s - 400HO & TA Hardtops) 1969 LeMans (2dr & 4dr Hardtop and a Cvt) 1969 LeMans Safari 2 seat Wagon 1969 GTO (2 Cvt, 2 Hardtops & Judge Hardtop) 1969 Catalina (3 Cvt’s & a 2dr hardtop) 1969 Ventura 2 Seat Wagon 1969 Executive 4dr Sedan 1969 Bonnie Cvt 1969 Bonnie 3 Seat Wagon (2 of them) 1969 Bonnie Brougham (4dr Hardtop & Cvt) 1969 Grand Prix SJ (2 of them) 1969 2+2 2dr Hardtop (Canadian model) |
#156
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That certainly is a mystery. I have no clue what would possess a person to do something like that to a small cube engine. I could see a 400-455 2-dr A-body with this set-up, though nothing I would ever do. I'm sure the family might have some insight to his thinking.
The wife said it was a surprisingly quick car that she loved to 'squeal' the tires taking off from stop signs. We'll find out more in spring once we get it dialed in a bit more. I'm hoping she'll have some more driving stories and how they came to order such a car. Dennis |
#157
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I did order the PHS finally, so next week we'll be able to confirm the option list.
Dennis |
#158
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North, do you know of any reasonably priced whitewall tires (modern radials) for these cars...225/75R14?
Dennis |
#159
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225/75-14 looks to be difficult if not impossible to find. Absolutely nothing in that size on the Tire Rack for instance.
If you’re willing to settle for a 215/75-14 this one hits the jackpot at Walmart in narrow white wall at $83.32 each. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hankook-O...4-98S/17792573 Saw a couple 225/75r14 wide white walls in the $250 to $300 range on Walmart but that’s it.
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Thanks B-man! There really aren't many choices left for 14" wheels. I think the 215/75R14's are a bit too short (25.8"). I do like the white walls and the price is right! However, I may just go to a 15" rim as that opens up more options...According to conversion charts the 215/75R14 = G78-14 = 8.25-14, so it would be right.
Dennis Last edited by SD455DJ; 02-03-2023 at 09:09 PM. |
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