[PAUL K]

Sorry to all about the side track

Back to topic

Congratulations to Big Chief breaking into the three second zone! Awesome achievement! I'm glad your basic, standard pushrod location E-heads got the job done.

Also quite the achievement dragging those Hemi and 481X (LOL) heads down the track... Not easily done.

It sucks you can't keep up with all the better Pontiac heads that are out there...like the Tigers, the Hi-ports, etc.

Disappointing you already went a bunch slower with all those other more expensive heads... I'm sure it was a suspension issue from all the extra power.

PS....if you need to up your game I would suggest reaching out to a guy on the West Coast named Dragncar. He is incredibly smart and knows all the ways to make big power...he even ran 10.80 once.

PPTFMF!!!..... 481XLOL

[Mike Davis]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

If you need to up your game I would suggest reaching out to a guy on the West Coast named Dragncar. He is incredibly smart and knows all the ways to make big power...he even ran 10.80 once.

PPTFMF!!!..... 481XLOL

Post of the year.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

PS....if you need to up your game I would suggest reaching out to a guy on the West Coast named Dragncar. He is incredibly smart and knows all the ways to make big power...he even ran 10.80 once.

PPTFMF!!!..... 481XLOL

Also if he doesn't have a clue he'll just make something up and pass it off as fact. That's what makes him so smart

[Kevspontiacs@aol.com]

It was my understanding that's the head stud in between the two exhaust ports would crush after repeated torquing's. Has the newer casting from Edelbrock been fixed? And if its still a problem how many sets has Chief gone through? He has more passes in one year than over half this board combined, me included Ha
What about his head gasket life?? I believe he was dry decked, copper gasket and double O rings at one point.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by 535 tall deck

It was my understanding that's the head stud in between the two exhaust ports would crush after repeated torquing's. Has the newer casting from Edelbrock been fixed? And if its still a problem how many sets has Chief gone through? He has more passes in one year than over half this board combined, me included Ha
What about his head gasket life?? I believe he was dry decked, copper gasket and double O rings at one point.

The "stud issue" usually isn't an issue if the head is prepped properly....it was never a "design problem"

Head gasket sealing is easily resolved by using the AP sealing rings which I believe were designed by Marty Pablikin (sp) and his team.

[Dick Boneske]

A lot of discussion and disagreement on the fastest Pontiac-powered door slammer. Not a door slammer, but here's the fastest Pontiac-powered car so far. ET 5.87 @ 250 mph. I was lucky to be there for this run.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC1zgMhSHcM

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by Dick Boneske

A lot of discussion and disagreement on the fastest Pontiac-powered door slammer. Not a door slammer, but here's the fastest Pontiac-powered car so far. ET 5.87 @ 250 mph. I was lucky to be there for this run.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC1zgMhSHcM

I was fortunate enough to witness that pass live also. I was standing at the big end and knew they finally got their well deserved five second pass as the car was hauling down the track. I had an excellent view and will never forget how the entire run looked...it was incredible!

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Sorry to all about the side track

Back to topic

Congratulations to Big Chief breaking into the three second zone! Awesome achievement! I'm glad your basic, standard pushrod location E-heads got the job done.

Also quite the achievement dragging those Hemi and 481X (LOL) heads down the track... Not easily done.

It sucks you can't keep up with all the better Pontiac heads that are out there...like the Tigers, the Hi-ports, etc.

Disappointing you already went a bunch slower with all those other more expensive heads... I'm sure it was a suspension issue from all the extra power.

PS....if you need to up your game I would suggest reaching out to a guy on the West Coast named Dragncar. He is incredibly smart and knows all the ways to make big power...he even ran 10.80 once.

PPTFMF!!!..... 481XLOL

You are a learner like the rest of us. When you can stop going after pics and measurements of real head/intake guys on the down low then you will be a teacher.
IMO your know how came off the backs of others, one click away from dishonesty.
Not sure how you get anything done, you must monitor PY Race 24/7.
No one is a bigger fan of Justin and what he has done with little E heads that I. Yet you want to make it like I am ripping on him. Remember that "gasslighting" term ?
High Ports and Tigers are not great Nitrous heads, everyone knows that. Twin turbos do very well with smaller heads. There are guys putting out 900-1000HP with single turbos on stock blocks, 400 cranks with as cast D ports and log manifolds.
Your turn.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

You are a learner like the rest of us. When you can stop going after pics and measurements of real head/intake guys on the down low then you will be a teacher.
IMO your know how came off the backs of others, one click away from dishonesty.
Not sure how you get anything done, you must monitor PY Race 24/7.
No one is a bigger fan of Justin and what he has done with little E heads that I. Yet you want to make it like I am ripping on him. Remember that "gasslighting" term ?
High Ports and Tigers are not great Nitrous heads, everyone knows that. Twin turbos do very well with smaller heads. There are guys putting out 900-1000HP with single turbos on stock blocks, 400 cranks with as cast D ports and log manifolds.
Your turn.

Really?

Stan

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Really?

Stan

You shouldn't question him. He knows everything.
But it does make you wonder why BES choose Tigers to use on nitrous engines if they're such a bad head for it.

[Elarson]

Leave me out of the p*ssing match, but our experience with the Grocery Getter was that switching from e-heads to off-the-shelf Tigers was worth 150 hp NA on the dyno and time slips suggested that same gain carried over to the nitrous use.

We're lucky to have so many choices for Pontiacs and I wouldn't hesitate to use e-heads for many applications.......but not every build.

Eric

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

You are a learner like the rest of us. When you can stop going after pics and measurements of real head/intake guys on the down low then you will be a teacher.
IMO your know how came off the backs of others, one click away from dishonesty.
Not sure how you get anything done, you must monitor PY Race 24/7.
No one is a bigger fan of Justin and what he has done with little E heads that I. Yet you want to make it like I am ripping on him. Remember that "gasslighting" term ?
High Ports and Tigers are not great Nitrous heads, everyone knows that. Twin turbos do very well with smaller heads. There are guys putting out 900-1000HP with single turbos on stock blocks, 400 cranks with as cast D ports and log manifolds.
Your turn.

Please stay on post....you like to derail every thread because you feel you are self important. If you want to continue start your own thread and tell us all about your accomplishments... I'm sure you have a lot to offer. You can tell us everything you learned by waisting other vendors time and the rest of your gained knowledge that came from a known liar that posts other folks dyno sheets as his own... I'm sure your new thread will be as good as the last two you started.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by Elarson

Leave me out of the p*ssing match, but our experience with the Grocery Getter was that switching from e-heads to off-the-shelf Tigers was worth 150 hp NA on the dyno and time slips suggested that same gain carried over to the nitrous use.

We're lucky to have so many choices for Pontiacs and I wouldn't hesitate to use e-heads for many applications.......but not every build.

Eric

That's good information. Did the Tigers respond to additional amounts of nitrous?

It's a great time to be into Pontiacs. We have several choices of good heads and each one shines in a different arena. Sometimes I wonder where our hobby would be if it wasn't for the aftermarket offerings. Had everything stopped with the Wenzler heads and no aftermarket blocks....

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Really?

Stan

You dare question the "Great Dragncar" ? You do know he went 10.80 once?....I'm sure he waisted at least an hour of an unsuspecting vendors time to get that opinion and the fellow on the other end just agreed to agree to get him off the phone.

He also has a chit ton of experience with Tiger heads and power adder combinations....at least he owns a set of Hi-ports and his best friend Gach bought a nitrous system once...just never used it.

[slowbird]

Ray Cox also ran good with Tiger heads on spray.

[Elarson]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

That's good information. Did the Tigers respond to additional amounts of nitrous?
....

Yes, the Tigers allowed us to increase the spray. We were spraying about 600 hp of nitrous at the end and felt like the Tigers were about choked. We felt like some serious porting R&D would be the next step but didn't sink the money into that because the Boss Bird build was nearing completion.

Eric

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by Elarson

Yes, the Tigers allowed us to increase the spray. We were spraying about 600 hp of nitrous at the end and felt like the Tigers were about choked. We felt like some serious porting R&D would be the next step but didn't sink the money into that because the Boss Bird build was nearing completion.

Eric

Thanks for the info....what seemed to be the limit of nitrous the E-heads were happy with?

[johnta1]

Since this thread is about The Crow, he isn't running nitrous anymore (as far as I know?), how much better would the Tiger head be than the Ehead for turbochargers?

I would think a bigger port and possibly a bigger chamber would be able to cram more of that power making mixture in there for each combustion event?

Instead of a boom you could get a BOOM?
(about like nitro)

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Since this thread is about The Crow, he isn't running nitrous anymore (as far as I know?), how much better would the Tiger head be than the Ehead for turbochargers?

I would think a bigger port and possibly a bigger chamber would be able to cram more of that power making mixture in there for each combustion event?

Instead of a boom you could get a BOOM?
(about like nitro)

Bigger is always better specially in a PA application, maybe that’s why Tommy’s car made record breaking HP.......JMO!


GTO George

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Since this thread is about The Crow, he isn't running nitrous anymore (as far as I know?), how much better would the Tiger head be than the Ehead for turbochargers?

I would think a bigger port and possibly a bigger chamber would be able to cram more of that power making mixture in there for each combustion event?

Instead of a boom you could get a BOOM?
(about like nitro)

If you're on a dyno you'd probably make more power...maybe a lot more. That doesn't mean the car will get to the finish line quicker. A lot of other variables need to be accounted for. How fast the engine will spool, what RPM will the bigger head work at, etc. You also have to tune the rest of the car to take advantage of the "better" heads.... and then you have the reliability factor to consider. Anytime you start tilting and twisting things you have the potential for more issues... If you want to win a race you have to win the rounds.

I have no idea if Chief uses nitrous. Sometimes turbo combination use nitrous to make up for turbo lag.