[S/st 54]

Originally Posted by Scott Roberts

Are you talking about this car? If so, do you even know what engine is in it.? The lack of info is comical...

Is that new engine even a Pontiac power plant,Scott ? Just a wild guess.but I say NO.

[Aaron Quinton]

Naw man, it's all good. And it's the internet. Langer has demonstrated what he can do and is as good as any NA Pontiac out there.

I'm just surprised by the number of people with no direct experience that such strong input. But like I said before, it's the internet!

Originally Posted by Dragncar

You reading comprehension could use a little work it seems. He responded with quotes on my post.
I response back is nothing out of the ordinary. I have the utmost respect for the NA King.

Chip on your shoulder AQ ?

[Aaron Quinton]

It looks like his new stuff is more of the same cylinder head. Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity? I think it's on purpose, not on accident.

If you look at the control system, control of mass flow, and ultimate a/f ratio control with a power adder option, why would anyone ever run Nitrous? I don't know but I would expect Robin is capable and is looking to go faster with significant less maintenance. Man all you have to do is watch the NH&RA Pro Mod pits.

So why haven't you made the move? I could hook you up with CMI turbos but man, you're keyboard is too much of an AH to manage. There seems to be a common theme here.

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

I heard Robin Roberts burnt his stuff up so bad on Nitrous that he is going turbos?

CVwhat village is this true?

I saw pics of him at the track last spring then vanished.

I figured he was waiting on a converter.

[Aaron Quinton]

Brother you should think about backing down the rhetoric.

The last time I checked the "village" was the ECM. Every single one of you guys run BES stuff. BES has fixed your billet, DRCE head, only in NHRA Pro Stock, best of the best billet stuff. Gabby and Vinser we're Gods and everyone else we're incapable just a few years ago. Gabby and Visner did good work, but it took BES to sort the problem and get it running as good as your Eheads. So again, it looks like the village is out east and the midwest know what's happening. If you're honest, you need to look at the BESM moniker as your tag line. The truth hurts.

Name one of your "ECM" crew that isn't reliant on BES for their engine problem sorting and performance? Man bro, why can't you just help pull us together? Is ending our hobby your goal?

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

I heard Robin Roberts burnt his stuff up so bad on Nitrous that he is going turbos?

CVwhat village is this true?

I saw pics of him at the track last spring then vanished.

I figured he was waiting on a converter.

[wreckmastr]

Originally Posted by Aaron Quinton

Name one of your "ECM" crew that isn't reliant on BES for their engine problem sorting and performance?

1: SikGoat

We have never talked to or used BES. Not that there is anything wrong with them but we have ended up staying local.

So in this case you would be wrong.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Dragncar,
I know it is a little long but you should change yours to "I am not a lair, but I don't really care if it is the truth".

Why do you always pull this CV-1 chit out of your rectum? No need to answer everyone knows where it is coming from.

Stan

The truth/fact doesn't matter.

[Scott Roberts]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

What keyboard do you race with?

Looks like someone had one to many Zimas last night... but you answered my question..

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by Aaron Quinton

Brother you should think about backing down the rhetoric.

The last time I checked the "village" was the ECM. Every single one of you guys run BES stuff. BES has fixed your billet, DRCE head, only in NHRA Pro Stock, best of the best billet stuff. Gabby and Vinser we're Gods and everyone else we're incapable just a few years ago. Gabby and Visner did good work, but it took BES to sort the problem and get it running as good as your Eheads. So again, it looks like the village is out east and the midwest know what's happening. If you're honest, you need to look at the BESM moniker as your tag line. The truth hurts.

Name one of your "ECM" crew that isn't reliant on BES for their engine problem sorting and performance? Man bro, why can't you just help pull us together? Is ending our hobby your goal?

My heads and intake have not been touched by BES. BES did the pistons and cam. So get your story right. Got to be able to have trust in your machine shop and when they do the work that it is right. Simple as that.

[chiefbigb]

Well if you can't run with them or at all you can always downplay their accomplishments. Pretty sad reading at times.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by chiefbigb

Well if you can't run with them or at all you can always downplay their accomplishments. Pretty sad reading at times.

Ditto!



GTO George

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Ditto!



GTO George

Originally Posted by chiefbigb

Well if you can't run with them or at all you can always downplay their accomplishments. Pretty sad reading at times.

Truth.....AQ and the other critic's should start their own thread and list their accomplishments. It'd probably be a very short but interesting read.

[GTOGEORGE]

It’s not AQ it’s the other ones that are beating that dead horse and won’t let it go! It’s easy to pick on someone or something when it’s or there down.



GTO George

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

My heads and intake have not been touched by BES. BES did the pistons and cam. So get your story right. Got to be able to have trust in your machine shop and when they do the work that it is right. Simple as that.

I plan on being somewhat of a induction copycat.

[mjm421]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

My heads and intake have not been touched by BES. BES did the pistons and cam. So get your story right. Got to be able to have trust in your machine shop and when they do the work that it is right. Simple as that.

I know another guy here in the Midwest touched your stuff! lol

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by slowbird

The truth/fact doesn't matter.

Hey, some of you guys want to "infer" some things, passive aggressive "asking questions" to throw shade or hurt a sale, two can play that game.

[mjm421]

Originally Posted by GTO Dan

Being an east coast guy and wanna be ECM'er...

Chassis recert was completed this morning and I hope to be out next week.

In keeping with the trend of this thread...:

All your heads suck and are boat anchors...Eheads, Visners, CV1s, Tigers...as compared to my state of art (circa 2000) Wenzler Series II.

They do flow 380 through the Victor so we'll see what I can get done with them.

Good luck Dan! Been a long time coming!!

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by Aaron Quinton

Naw man, it's all good. And it's the internet. Langer has demonstrated what he can do and is as good as any NA Pontiac out there.

I'm just surprised by the number of people with no direct experience that such strong input. But like I said before, it's the internet!

Cool, it is the internet, its all good man. The "strong input" come from me taking a swipe at "the village" any time, any place. I admit it. Still remember my "calling out" thread by them ganging up.
But now, as it comes out, it all TRUE. Those piles problems are worse than what I said in the thread.
They just all look sad now. Problem is, it hurt a lot of people. When you invest time and money in a serious hobby and with shysters like them in your circle it leads to real problems for good people.

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by mjm421

I know another guy here in the Midwest touched your stuff! lol

Oh yea a little Magic! 😀

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by chiefbigb

He spelled plumber right. I will give him that. I'm pretty sure none of the ecm crowd are liberals

I did get a chuckle when they called us that.

Name calling and derogatory remarks about a blue collar worker is right out of the elitist democratic playbook.

[dragracerx2813]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

I did get a chuckle when they called us that.

Name calling and derogatory remarks about a blue collar worker is right out of the elitist democratic playbook.

I am still trying to figure out how all of that helps him or his product ? It doesn't make me want to run right out and buy his product. Maybe it's a new marketing campaign!