[cnc]

Thanks for pointing that out guys I never looked closely


I'll have it checked

[cnc]

No one has mentioned anything about the pan and the spots .....fuel or Antifreeze the culprit guesses?????

[mchell]

Originally Posted by cnc

No one has mentioned anything about the pan and the spots .....fuel or Antifreeze the culprit guesses?????

better pic....I see what you mean

interesting....does the white stuff have any substance to it?.....if it was fuel I would think it would blend relatively seamlessly with the oil and not look like that....water however, does not blend with oil very well

[mchell]

Originally Posted by cnc

No one has mentioned anything about the pan and the spots .....fuel or Antifreeze the culprit guesses?????

ahhhh......spots......looks like it may be water...keeping oil from it

[cnc]

HAHAHA...yes the white spots or what appear to look like snowflakes which is actually the " metal " baffle plate of the oil pan,,,

Think we might be onto something...perhaps with that head gasket which was also on the same side/same cylinder as what I thought I had the Rod goin on...but the combustion Chamber isn't White like it was getting steam cleaned from coolant and I never had any issues with coolant or temps.......???


The heads were pressure tested so I don't think we have a crack in a head and redone as well so I assume they are flat too but ya know what happens when u Assume
The block is a SR block that I had decked to Zero with the rotating assembly... but I will have it all checked ....

[cnc]

Can a Block be pressure tested .....????

[pontiac1981]

Do you have plastic wrap over the oil pan? If that's antifreeze I would think you would have noticed a lot of steam blowing out the exhaust.

[pontiac1981]

Is that chunks of something I see in the one picture on the oil pump screen?

[cnc]

Originally Posted by pontiac1981

Is that chunks of something I see in the one picture on the oil pump screen?

yep.....

[cnc]

[QUOTE=pontiac1981;5111580]Do you have plastic wrap over the oil pan?



No ..............why do u ask.....lol

[gtofreek]

Is there a lot of forward and backward movement in the crank? Kind of looks like thrust bearing material.

[gtofreek]

It sure does look like plastic wrap over the pan. I realize it's just the flash reflecting off of the oil, but it looks like plastic wrap. LOL!

[cnc]

Paul there is movement but how much not sure....I don't have anything here to measure that....That was my first thought ....but would thrust bearing failure resonsate to one side of an engine...

What do u think of the oil pan pic...that shiny snowflake pattern is the metal of the actual pan the oil is being separated.....but by what..?????

[cnc]

Originally Posted by gtofreek

It sure does look like plastic wrap over the pan. I realize it's just the flash reflecting off of the oil, but it looks like plastic wrap. LOL!

I know.....

[Nicks67GTO]

That sucks.

As much as it will probably kill you, I'm going to suggest that you stop pulling that engine apart. If you had a shop build it for you and they want to look it over, this is giving him a perfect excuse to void any kind of replacement work at his cost. I'm not saying that hes going to act like that but people get weird when it comes to money.

Just my suggestion.

[cnc]

Originally Posted by Nicks67GTO

That sucks.

As much as it will probably kill you, I'm going to suggest that you stop pulling that engine apart. If you had a shop build it for you and they want to look it over, this is giving him a perfect excuse to void any kind of replacement work at his cost. I'm not saying that hes going to act like that but people get weird when it comes to money.

Just my suggestion.

Yep it does and yes I left it alone

A shop redid the balancing job for me when I had THAT problem ...and they assembled the bottom end crank and rotating assembly all new bearings rear main.....

I installed everthing else....oil pump pan heads intake ..etc etc....

I only pulled the pan HOPING maybe my windage tray was hitting ...but obviously it wasn't........

[geeteeohguy]

IMO, the Felpro head gaskets are not the culprit here. They don't look bad to me. Usually, a blown head gasket will result in steam cleaning the cylinders involved and will milkshake the engine oil. No sign of that here. Looking at the amount of metal in this engine, something else failed. Probably the lubrication system. Teardown and inspection is needed before any real conclusion is drawn. I've been using Felpro gaskets on these engines for over 35 years. Hell, the set I installed on my '65 GTO's 389 in 1981 is still working fine. I banged gears in that car yesterday.

[cnc]

[QUOTE=geeteeohguy;5111818]IMO, the Felpro head gaskets are not the culprit here. They don't look bad to me. Usually, a blown head gasket will result in steam cleaning the cylinders involved and will milkshake the engine oil. No sign of that here. Looking at the amount of metal in this engine, something else failed. Probably the lubrication system.

I agree on the steam cleaning as I mentioned previously.....

BUT what is in the pan ( aside from the glitter ) causing the oil to separate like this

I'm gonna see about testing the oil in the filter to see what is in it for contamination.....

As for the lubricating system its a new pump.... hell everything is new as far as rotating assembly and lubricating from oil pump to Water pump....

[gtofreek]

Originally Posted by cnc

Paul there is movement but how much not sure....I don't have anything here to measure that....That was my first thought ....but would thrust bearing failure resonsate to one side of an engine...

What do u think of the oil pan pic...that shiny snowflake pattern is the metal of the actual pan the oil is being separated.....but by what..?????

Is the pan coated with anything? Or even a zinc or other kind of metal treatment for anti-corrosion protection? Was it a new pan? If so, then I suspect that is what is causing the separation.

As far as noise, if the thrust bearing went and took out the actual main bearing part of it, then I suppose it might be more concentrated on one side or the other. Hard to say. Depending on the type of rod bearing used, it could be that also. Just have to see what the shop says. Hopefully they take care of it for you. Hopefully it wasn't something like the converter didn't get installed all the way into the tranny when assembled, thus taking out the thrust bearing.

[cnc]

I'd like to F***in bang my head .......lol