[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by mike leech

You were broke and down for a year so punch A muffin blower boy. And you were no faster than a na car that was heavier. Lol

I know why you painted your car. You lost your sponsor to a mopar cuz you were not representing.

YOUR LITE weight Hot Wheels car is heavier then mine.............get over it.
So you found out about my Duct Tape sponsor...........DAMN YOU!
So how many RPM did you buzz that time bomb of yours............I shifted mine at 6,400?



GTO George

[Tom Vaught]

Some people change Head Gaskets as insurance against having a failure, down time at the next event, and possibly not finishing well (after a 1000 mile tow to the race).

The Keens were changing their head gaskets on the 347 cid engine 1300 hp Vortech supercharged engine after the second race event on the gaskets. They won a lot but sometimes they still changed a set of head gaskets at the track. (Changed Torque Converters constantly too in order to find good matches for their engine HP and Torque curve. They tried to keep 3 converters in the trailer always.

So They were not Bracket Racing (like some) but were making good power with a small engine and winning often. Worked on the car CONSTANTLY.

Maybe we need to add that comment to the area between the Bracket and the MAX EFFORT DEAL. (call it The Guys who win often without John Force Dollars.)

Tom V.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

YOUR LITE weight Hot Wheels car is heavier then mine.............get over it.
So you found out about my Duct Tape sponsor...........DAMN YOU!
So how many RPM did you buzz that time bomb of yours............I shifted mine at 6,400?



GTO George

Worlds slowest PROMOD to the where ever MFM

[GTOGEORGE]

So RPM.................Michael?


GTO George

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by johnta1

I'm with Rob and Rick.

Expand on the 'bracket' engine, it must be able to go rounds like said but the rounds are very quick and rapid-fire as our announcer used to say.
After about 3-4 rounds you had to go straight to the lanes no stopping at your pit.
Next round is in 15 minutes (or less) not half hour to hour 'cool down'.
Also no crew members past the staging lane to burnout area. (maybe one person).
Basically no circus like in the heads up races.


So, if your car needs any kind of 'work' to it at the race track, probably not a bracket engine.

Pretty good definition!


GTO George

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

So RPM.................Michael?


GTO George

I'll play along. 8400 is where I was shifting. I will be shifting at 8800 with new crank.






















This ought a be good

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by 65nss4spdGTO

I'm gonna go back to what most bracket racers want, low maintenance. Not having to change valve springs, head gaskets and internals every 25 to 50 passes. That is a direct link to RPM.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

Technology has come a LONG way.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by mike leech

I'll play along. 8400 is where I was shifting. I will be shifting at 8800 with new crank.

Dang thats max max effort, lol

[mike leech]

Max effort junk EHTTFMF

[john marcella]

Max effort is multiple camshafts , lots of hours on a spintron ,multiple cylinder heads ,multiple manifolds ,multiple carburetors and everything is completely manipulated to be as best as it can possibly be without regard to cost or time invested. So IMO none of our junk is max effort. Just sayin.

[john marcella]

So what most here would consider max effort................is in reality. ........just starting to try , effort.

[T Syron]

Max effort in the Pontiac world can not be compared to a max effort in the real world. There is no corporate sponsorships or big investors to help finance the program. Every technology that the big three max effort builds utilize is a direct result of the professional racer testing and success. A luxury Pontiac racers don't have. We just pick up the scraps.

Just my opinion

Tom Syron

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by john marcella

So what most here would consider max effort................is in reality. ........just starting to try , effort.

True!

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by john marcella

So what most here would consider max effort................is in reality. ........just starting to try , effort.

And will always be.

Tom V.

[p4msi1]

Max effort= Top fuel dragster - teardown every race
Bracket race= factory stock- change the oil 1st per year and make sure there is gas in the tank.

We fall somewhere inbetween these.

Steve

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by johnta1

I'm with Rob and Rick.

Expand on the 'bracket' engine, it must be able to go rounds like said but the rounds are very quick and rapid-fire as our announcer used to say.
After about 3-4 rounds you had to go straight to the lanes no stopping at your pit.
Next round is in 15 minutes (or less) not half hour to hour 'cool down'.
Also no crew members past the staging lane to burnout area. (maybe one person).
Basically no circus like in the heads up races.


So, if your car needs any kind of 'work' to it at the race track, probably not a bracket engine.

GTO George

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by p4msi1

Max effort= Top fuel dragster - teardown every race
Bracket race= factory stock- change the oil 1st per year and make sure there is gas in the tank.

We fall somewhere inbetween these.

Steve

Most do

[mgarblik]

I agree with many of the posts concerning Max effort. But in the Pontiac world John makes a good point. I would consider for example Bill Rinks Super Stock Pontiac 350 to be Max effort, even though it's not kill every run . It meets John's criteria of lots of R+D time, dozens of camshafts, ring combinations, carburetors, thousands of dyno pulls and a serious approach to the engine development. The results are multiple NHRA class wins and records. Even though the HP is not in the 1000's. As you can tell I consider class racers in stock and super stock to be the grassroots Max effort players in our sport. Most of their efforts go under the radar.

[Elarson]

I would consider a bracket engine to be any engine (regardless of power) that can go round after round without changing output.

That means it has to be overbuilt & understressed so that there is no parts deterioration during rounds.

A max effort engine could be any engine (regardless of ultimate horsepower) that gets every little bit wrung out of it every single pass.

JMHO,
Eric

[65nss4spdGTO]

Originally Posted by mgarblik

I agree with many of the posts concerning Max effort. But in the Pontiac world John makes a good point. I would consider for example Bill Rinks Super Stock Pontiac 350 to be Max effort, even though it's not kill every run . It meets John's criteria of lots of R+D time, dozens of camshafts, ring combinations, carburetors, thousands of dyno pulls and a serious approach to the engine development. The results are multiple NHRA class wins and records. Even though the HP is not in the 1000's. As you can tell I consider class racers in stock and super stock to be the grassroots Max effort players in our sport. Most of their efforts go under the radar.

I would be curious to know what they are winding that 350ci engine up to?

Most NHRA Stock and Super Stock engines are done before the 1000 mark and are just hanging on.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420