[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

It was more about him not needing a 55m and .904s to make his 750 HP than anything.

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Darby uses a 55mm and 904's and fell short of 750. Maybe you could help him (Darby) out?

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Are you feeling lonely to nite for some reason ? You must.
You and your pal Brian always seem to have a problem if I try and give some advice.

No not lonely, I have plenty to do. Did you PM Darby?

Here's your oppurtunity to help. Darby is young and willing to learn. Go share your wisdom!

[mysticmissle]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

We've made almost double that with a standard core cam and .842 lifters and close to triple that amount of power with a SBC using a standard cam core and .842 lifters. I doubt it's the intentions of the OP to ever get to the point of needing the big boy stuff and he would just be spending a bunch of money for no good reason.

But I agree if you're a hard core racer to order all the options up front. I will be a lot cheaper and less hassles down the road.

you have made almost 1400-1500 hp with a standard cam and lifter set up? atleast put with nitrous nobody likes a undefined claims.

[grandville455]

Charles, While u don't need the 55 mm cam or the bigger lifter's, It's far cheaper to have it done when getting the block from ALL Pontiac, then to realize down the road u want to step it up! Its also a lot less strain on your whole valve train
and can use a much more aggressive lobe too imo, I'm just young and eager as paul said lmao

[Skip Fix]

So I'll throw this question out for you all. Most of look at the corrected HP numbers on the dyno sheet-how many days are actually good enough air at the track the motor will see corrected HP and not really the uncorrected in the actual air of the pre corrected numbers?

[grandville455]

Originally Posted by Skip Fix

So I'll throw this question out for you all. Most of look at the corrected HP numbers on the dyno sheet-how many days are actually good enough air at the track the motor will see corrected HP and not really the uncorrected in the actual air of the pre corrected numbers?

That's true Skip, Mine made 712 hp uncorrected, very little correction on my engine

[Skip Fix]

And different dynos. My TA's 455 dynoed 525 HP corrected on the Stuska that shop had. No fan on the water pump, no mufflers no small Shaker air cleaner. In the car through a full muffler system PS/ and fan depending on the calculator more like 550+ based on mph.

Hard to tell where I'll end up on the IA/Camaro -different dyno. and I've only made less than 10 passes(picked over 2 seconds figuring out some big bugs last time) Corrected was 695hp but I had to pull off the carb spacers, now has a full exhaust, radiator fan(that is getting replaced now) and an air cleaner. Also it was a warm humid night closer to the conditions for the uncorrected. 127mph at 3595 was quite a disappointment until we started taking off HP and looking at uncorrected. Looser convertor and other carbs besides and electric fan setup will hopefully look a little better.

So 750 corrected/uncorrected and do you expect mph to match that?

[grandville455]

Originally Posted by Skip Fix

And different dynos. My TA's 455 dynoed 525 HP corrected on the Stuska that shop had. No fan on the water pump, no mufflers no small Shaker air cleaner. In the car through a full muffler system PS/ and fan depending on the calculator more like 550+ based on mph.

Hard to tell where I'll end up on the IA/Camaro -different dyno. and I've only made less than 10 passes(picked over 2 seconds figuring out some big bugs last time) Corrected was 695hp but I had to pull off the carb spacers, now has a full exhaust, radiator fan(that is getting replaced now) and an air cleaner. Also it was a warm humid night closer to the conditions for the uncorrected. 127mph at 3595 was quite a disappointment until we started taking off HP and looking at uncorrected. Looser convertor and other carbs besides and electric fan setup will hopefully look a little better.

So 750 corrected/uncorrected and do you expect mph to match that?

Skip last year I ran close to 0 da, But at a 685 ft elevation track still and at 138 mph the moroso slide rule showed 725 at my weight then? Yours will come around, but yes having to remove spacers and then add other stuff can make a difference in losses and how the car responds,, mine shows no loss really with my current exhaust setup.

[Skip Fix]

My last roller can race gas motor 455 ran the same open headers as with the exhaust system -even with the weight of the exhaust system so this one has an even bigger X so probably not a lot of loss. This weekend the loose 5000 stall convertor from it is going in the new car. Give me a different data point than the one in it I think is just too tight. Hopefully get a better than a 1.7 60 ft! Then get a custom one made. Going to get to use my new lift in the shop instead of under the car on jack stands

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Can you clarify the $3800 pair of heads that will get you just shy of a pair of $7500 heads statement?

Nah

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

No not lonely, I have plenty to do. Did you PM Darby?

Here's your oppurtunity to help. Darby is young and willing to learn. Go share your wisdom!

See, here is the problem. You are trying to stir something up with me a Darby. I have no problem with Darby. Have a high opinion of what he has done. He is doing it with small D ports too. So, what am I going to tell him ?
Guy is a real racer doing is much of his own work as he can. that gets respect in my book.
Besides, if I wanted to talk to him I would not PM him. Almost bought his block but he decided to run it so I have his number.

Which gets us to the bigger problem around here, PY. People read this stuff and do not comment on anything. They stay out, do not want to be any part of the bu!!$h!t going on here. Its a mess and what you do sometimes keeps people away. Most of us are just racers doing it at a level we can afford and still keep a roof over our head. But you are in the business of race engines. Come on here tooting your own horn. I think there are reasons All Pontiac, KRE, Butler and the like are not on here tooting their own horn. Its not their place, don't need to.
You need some of their "wisdom".
Anymore you and your pal are reasons people stay away and do not actively participate in this once great Pontiac forum.
Who wants to comment if they are going to get attacked ? Not worth is so they go to facebook where this $h!t does not fly.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Nah

I figured, just more bs.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by slowbird

I figured, just more bs.

So the "pal" responds. But I told you I won't argue with you on this thread. So lets leave it at that.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

See, here is the problem. You are trying to stir something up with me a Darby. I have no problem with Darby. Have a high opinion of what he has done. He is doing it with small D ports too. So, what am I going to tell him ?
Guy is a real racer doing is much of his own work as he can. that gets respect in my book.
Besides, if I wanted to talk to him I would not PM him. Almost bought his block but he decided to run it so I have his number.

Which gets us to the bigger problem around here, PY. People read this stuff and do not comment on anything. They stay out, do not want to be any part of the bu!!$h!t going on here. Its a mess and what you do sometimes keeps people away. Most of us are just racers doing it at a level we can afford and still keep a roof over our head. But you are in the business of race engines. Come on here tooting your own horn. I think there are reasons All Pontiac, KRE, Butler and the like are not on here tooting their own horn. Its not their place, don't need to.
You need some of their "wisdom".
Anymore you and your pal are reasons people stay away and do not actively participate in this once great Pontiac forum.
Who wants to comment if they are going to get attacked ? Not worth is so they go to facebook where this $h!t does not fly.

No! The problem is you come on here and spew BS like it's fact. Butler and KRE have staff to answer questions to straighten out BS that people like you poop out as if you know what you're talking about. You like making statements as if you know from experience and you're just relaying information that you picked up in a conversation. Go back and read your posts!

Dragncar's non facts;

Whitmore RAIV heads compared to KRE Edelbrocks on a dyno.... Never happened!

Scott Brown cam broke into two peices.... Never happened

Gach made 850 horsepower on pump gas using someone else's Internet dyno sheet.... Never happened

I could continue but have better things to do.

I will continue to call out anyone when they're spewing lies as facts. I'd prefert to keep PY Website around as long as possible....no one likes to waste their time reading Fairy Tails.

Now YOU claim these super duper e-heads you know about are the best bang for the buck....for the third time tell me about they're accomplishments.

If you want to continue to make crap up please hangout on PZ , Gach gets tired of talking to himself.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by mysticmissle

you have made almost 1400-1500 hp with a standard cam and lifter set up? atleast put with nitrous nobody likes a undefined claims.

Why, are you in the market for a new build?

[mysticmissle]

Just kicking tires and asking for facts or clarification at least

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by mysticmissle

Just kicking tires and asking for facts or clarification at least

KICKINGTIRESTTF!

[chuckies76ta]

Ok guys, back to topic. I still don't understand what the standard cam and lifter would be rated too, HP wise? Thanks


Also, Thanks for the info guys.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by chuckies76ta

Ok guys, back to topic. I still don't understand what the standard cam and lifter would be rated too, HP wise? Thanks


Also, Thanks for the info guys.

Thought I mentioned this in a post.... We've made close 1400 hp with standard cam and .842 lifters. If you feel down the road you'll want to make big power you are better off ordering the block with the Big Boy options. If you plan on never exceeding 900 horsepower you are probably better off spending your money elsewhere. If you don't order the big options now and decide down the road you want to add the big cam journals and .904 lifters it can still be done. It will just cost considerably more money.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by chuckies76ta

Ok guys, back to topic. I still don't understand what the standard cam and lifter would be rated too, HP wise? Thanks


Also, Thanks for the info guys.

It isn't a hp thing, its spring pressure and rpm. Id say if you 800lbs on springs and spinning the engine above 7500rpm you should consider it. You will only be running springs and rpm like that if you going for 900+hp natural aspirated

[chuckies76ta]

Ok, Thanks..

Charles