[Lloyd-TX]

ctm:

As you say, PHS docs will tell the tale, but my bet is that Ram Air was standard equipment on ALL Judges, which would mean that your car is not a Judge.

Bob:

Great information. Of course, your build sheet/manifests would not show ANY CA emissions equipped cars. Mine is a CA emissions equipped car, therefor the "WN" build sheet carb code, and the 7040570 and WN stamping on the carburetor itself.

Also makes sense that the UPC 601 Hood Air Inlet option was restricted to 455 cars, since Ram Air was standard equipment on RA III and RA IV cars, and unavailable with the base 400 4V engine.

[CDN2PLS2]

gtoric
Flipped through some more pages,that m-20 must have been a typo
L-75 and M-13 does say 117 but it doesn't look like any got RA.

[carbking]

According to the 1970 dealer sales album:

"The Judge" performance option - Available GTO only, includes such features as: 400 cu in Ram Air V-8 engine; functional, driver controlled, air-intake hood scoops............... not going to type the rest.

Also, according to the same book, the hood scoop was available as standard equipment on all RA III and RA IV engines and available as an option with the 360 hp 455 on GTO only. Code 601, UPC T42.

The price pages:

Engine Code 348 UPC L74 (RA III) (includes 601)
Engine Code 347 UPC L67 (RA IV) (includes 601)

Hood Air Inlet code 601 UPC T42 (included with 347,348) w/344 (L75 455 360 HP)

Jon.

[gtoric]

I wouldn't expect much more than a handful of M13s to get bolted to a 455RA engine. That still leaves a large discrepancy between your quoted figures from Fred and the fiugres I came up with via other sources. I don't have the statistics from Fred that you have. I need to get in touch with Mr. Simmonds to try to obtain more of his research.

[Verdero Green]

This is my first time posting and I appreciate everone's information, particularly about the carb. nos. I bought a 1970 RA 455 off e-bay about 2 years ago. The engine was disassembled but I talked the original purchaser and verified that it was an original 30K mile car. It was built at the Arlington, TX plant and the PHS docs say interest charges started accruing to the dealer on his floor plan on 11-12-69. It is Verdero Green w/ the M21 4 Speed, buckets, console and drum brakes and AM Radio. Very plain but a good runner. Again thanks & if anyone has any info on these cars it is appreciated. Marty

[70ramair455]

Well hello guyz:

I have a '70 455 Ram Air Convertible with 4spd.

- they were built all throughout the model year and ordered early as well. The factory literature (accessories catalog available at all dealers) mentions the Air-Inlet Hood option from the very beginning.

- I found one of the mysterious 7040279 carbs that CARBKING and others swears did not exist. Was it a fake? I questioned it enough (based on CARBKING's post on my CP thread almost 2 years ago) that I didn't purchase it. It was for sale on Ebay about 7 months or so ago and was mounted on a totally rebuilt WA 455 block with #64 heads. The dates did not match on the carb, heads, and block (nowhere close) so I couldn't get a feel based on date codes. The ebay seller claims to have one of these carbs on his car as well. He claims that these are the only two he's ever seen. Is he telling the truth? Who knows. That doesn't even begin to address the even rarer (if they exist) California EE carbs 7040573!!

- Yes Judges were available with 455. There is NO EVIDENCE that the Ram Air came standard on these vehicles. This is where the PHS comes in handy. If there is a seperate charge for the Air-Inlet hood then the DID NOT come standard. If there is no seperate charge then .... well you get the picture! I've never seen a PHS documented 455 Judge so I can't speak from experience.

- I'd love to get a copy of Lloyd's build sheet. I'm working on starting a '70 GTO 455 site and all the info would be helpful.

Well gotta go. Great post.

Phil

P.S. My car is in Customer Rides on this site. Atoll Blue.

[Lloyd-TX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 70ramair455:

I have a '70 455 Ram Air Convertible with 4spd.

- I'd love to get a copy of Lloyd's build sheet. I'm working on starting a '70 GTO 455 site and all the info would be helpful.

Well gotta go. Great post.

Phil

P.S. My car is in Customer Rides on this site. Atoll Blue. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Phil:

I would LOVE to scan it in, but it's in horrible condition. Once I glean all the info possible from it, I may try anyway.

Here is an updated list of what I can get from my build sheet:

Mostly due to Mike Ransom's help I was able to deipher a few of the fuzzy, missing or totally illegible items on my build sheet. We'll keep trying and may get a few more figured out before it's all said and done!

1 Job Sequence Number: G0191
8 Body Number: BF03150
9 VIN: 242370Z115886
10 Sched No. date: 62 11-11
11 Frame: HF40
12 Steering knuckle: 38-39
13 Front spring: SDSN
14 Rear spring: P8
15 Front shock: UA
16 Rear shock: YHYH
17 Stab Bar: 544
18 Carb: WN (7040570)
19 Prop shaft: 1R2WH
20 Exhaust: NBN
21 Fan Clutch: 7J-PC
22 Fan Pulley: XT
23 VAC Fittings: 417 (shaped like a peace sign at rear of carburetor)
24 DP Seq No: 190938 I8 0048
25 Model: 24237
26 Top: --
27 Engine: YA (455, early production)
28 Trans: PR (455 THM 400)
29 Axle: XT (12-bolt diff, 3.07 ratio, Saf-T-Track)
30 Alter: XB (55 amp, 1100700)
31 Alter Pulley: None
32 Starter Motor: 435 (1108435)
33 Fuel Pump: 710 (40710)
34 P/S Pulley: XH
35 C/S Pulleys: YCYB
36 V Belt Groove 1: PO
37 V Belt Groove 2: NG
38 V Belt Groove 3: PX
39 V Belt Groove 4: 417SG
40 Air Pump & Plug: NONE
41 Air Pulley: E-345
42 Fuel Gauge: (Mike is guessing 495)
43 Trim: 257
44 Color: 55 55
45 Wheels: JL - 5
46 Radiator: PD
47 Radiator Upr Hose: NR
48 Radiator Lwr Hose: NL
49 Batt: R59S
50 Battery Pos Cable: KZ
51 Battery Neg Cable: NB
52 A/C Compressor: 734
53 Frt End Harness: TG
54 Engine Harness: TP
55 Air Cleaner: RAM
56 Hydro Pierce: Mike is guessing: XXXXX
57 Antenna: (piece is missing)
58 Heater hose inlet: 81-00
59 Heater Hose Outlet: 164 (Very Fuzzy)
60 Spec. Ord.: Blank
61 Body Frt Harness: 3997
62 Body Lamp Harness: 8671
63 Body Power Harness: ACE-
64 115
65 I.P. Harness: TB-16
66 Console HArness: -7952
67 Inst. Cluster: WD298
68 Master Cyl: DH
69 Strg Whl: SWCOB ???
70 Strg Column: RB ???
71 Strg Col. Color: SWOO- (Very Fuzzy)
72 Tachometer: 64 (Very Fuzzy)
73 Speedo Cable: Mike is guessing BB-- (Illegible)
74

Control Arms
75 Front: NCPP
76 Rear: Mike is guessing NXNX (Illegible)

77 Carpet Front: BSW
78 Carpet Rear: -ESW
79 H/Liner: HSW24
80 W/Hose: TAPE
81 Shelf Trim: LSW1-
82 Seat Adjuster: SSW --
83 Pad Frt Back: CI-FK
84 Pad Frt Cushion: BJ---
85 Pad Rear Back: _X-P (first character(s) illegible)
86 Pad Rear Cushion: GX-R
87 Seat Belts: SBK-1
88 Shoulder Harness: BWO-
89 Door Pads: (Illegible)
90 I.P. Pads: SA ___ (Torn after those two characters)
91 Wheel Covers: R5910
92 Speedo gear and adapter: GRY 58 (Very fuzzy)
93 (Tires) Body Mount: RXWUUQS
94 EX/P: ----
95 K/P: BA-BB (kick panels)
96 Coil: 410
97 Remot: 0--
98 Shrd: 5359
99 R--WT
100 (Strg Pump) F/LIN: L3?8?7 (middle two characters very fuzzy)
101 (Strg Gear) Hood: -- (very faint and fuzzy)
102 Thottle Control Cable: PB
104 Engine Tune Label: PB (Current label on rad sppt is "PD", but certain it's a repop)
105 Tire Press. Label: KT
106 Tire Description: G70X14 2X4 W/W -FRYU
107 (Option Codes which are legible) A02, A31, *A51, *B30, *B50, *B80, B93, B96, *C24, C60, DH5, *D10, D33, D34, D55, GX1, G80, JL1, JL2, J50, L75, M40, MX9, N10, *N30, N41, N98, T42, *U05, *U27, *U28, U30, U63, U80, Y96, XXX CUSTOMER ORDER

109 Charge To: Bonander Pontiac Inc.
231 South Center St
Turlock Calif 95380
111 Order Number: 026472
Plant Fremont
112 Zone: 23
113 Dealer: 049
120 Routing: T/A 11

Can anyone else give me more hints for the missing information? Once again, this is a Fremont built 1970 GTO, 455 Ram Air auto A/C, assembled 11/11/69 best I can tell.

Mucho thanks to Mike (held for) Ransom for his assistance.

Phil, if you have YOUR build sheet, would you mind posting it here and/or send it to me?

bellauto@birch.net

I'll do what I can to get more info off of mine for your '70 GTO 455 site.

Many thanks!

[70ramair455]

Hi Lloyd!

Thanks for all the great info. I wish I had my build sheet. I do have the PHS if you need that info. In addition I do have a build sheet for someone elses automatic 455 Ram Air convertible and possibly a 455 Ram Air 4spd hardtop.

If interested let me know. I'll copy it and fax it to you if you give me a fax number.

Thanks again for all your info and help.

Phil

[Lloyd-TX]

Hey Phil:

I'd love to have the PHS on your car, plus any build sheets you can fax would be great.

My work fax # is (713) 664-3499. I receive my faxes with WinFax Pro on my office PC, which is running 8:00 to 6:00 CST, Monday through Friday.

Many thanks in advance!

Talk to you later.

[Lloyd-TX]

Bump!

I'd still like that info if you can send it, 70ra455!

[JLHarper]

Phil or Llyod:

If you read this: in regards to the site Phil mentioned, wasnt there a fellow in POCI mag advertising for info about 455 GTO's?
Is this Phil or someone different?
I send him my info but dont recall getting any reply. May have missed it.
70 RA 455 auto GTO Burgundy/ Black top/Black interior missing original motor but have an original, was running WA 455 which is 4 speed motor.
Anyone want to trade for a 70 YA 455 with 64 heads?

I am also looking for the 2nd or 3rd owner who lives in Missouri and owned many GTOs and is older fellow. I bought five years ago from a man that worked at a days inn (Missouri) as night manager and had a 70 TA he was restoring. I will look his name up and post if I can find. He said other older fellow had the "build" sheet from this GTO. I will try and find out his name and see if anyone knows him.
The older fellow (65 ish five years back) had a barn full of GTO's and house full of Pontiac stuff he said. I think he was popular in Pontiac circles in State. Ring any bells?

I bet Carb King might know who he is...or how to contact if I get his name. I will look.
Thanks in advance...Jeff

[7T-GOAT]

Lloyd,

I just talked to Phil. He'll get that to you as soon as he can. He's good for it, just been too busy.

[Lloyd-TX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JLHarper:
Phil or Llyod:

If you read this: in regards to the site Phil mentioned, wasnt there a fellow in POCI mag advertising for info about 455 GTO's?
Is this Phil or someone different?
I send him my info but dont recall getting any reply. May have missed it.
70 RA 455 auto GTO Burgundy/ Black top/Black interior missing original motor but have an original, was running WA 455 which is 4 speed motor.
Anyone want to trade for a 70 YA 455 with 64 heads?

I am also looking for the 2nd or 3rd owner who lives in Missouri and owned many GTOs and is older fellow. I bought five years ago from a man that worked at a days inn (Missouri) as night manager and had a 70 TA he was restoring. I will look his name up and post if I can find. He said other older fellow had the "build" sheet from this GTO. I will try and find out his name and see if anyone knows him.
The older fellow (65 ish five years back) had a barn full of GTO's and house full of Pontiac stuff he said. I think he was popular in Pontiac circles in State. Ring any bells?

I bet Carb King might know who he is...or how to contact if I get his name. I will look.
Thanks in advance...Jeff </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

See if you can find out who he is. Maybe Mike (held for) Ransom, Lance Kramer or oPh might know him.

[Lloyd-TX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RAIII RAGTOP:
Lloyd,

I just talked to Phil. He'll get that to you as soon as he can. He's good for it, just been too busy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's good to know - thanks for posting.

I know how it can be getting busy and all!

[Held for Ransom]

Nope, I don't know him. But I'd love any copies of 455 GTO/GTO Judge build sheets.

[70ram4]

Just to add to this conversation. I took delivery today of an original 1970 gto conv. 455 ho ram air car auto. Carb number 7040270 WA. Burgundy with red interior. ship date 10-8-69

[CDN2PLS2]

How about a picture of that Burgundy with Red interior?

[70ram4]

It sounds worse than it is , it doesn't look bad in those colors. I'm working on the pics

[Held for Ransom]

What plant built it?

[SpartanMSU]

Wow, burgundy with red? It sounds odd, but I've seen a Mopar or two like this and it's sweet!